Why is Roy Jones Jr chin considered so terrible?

Napoles 74, before being pounded by Monzon. Depends how close you want it?

 

You've got nothing, as expected.

 

Well you have got no answer to my question. That is for sure.

 

What question? Feel free to provide proof of all the times you claim Toney to be weight drained. Me? I'm not going to wear that he was weight drained because he failed to knock someone out. His record is his record.

 

The 40lbs you cited was a combination of a partial miscalculation, partial deliberate exaggeration and partly because you think Trinidad's natural fighting weight was below 147lbs? Is that what you're saying?

I think you'd be better served by responding either - "I miscalculated" or "I exaggerated" and then we can move on.

 

Look, I am not going to repeat the question. You know where to find it. And if you are not a man enough to admit that you do not have an answer, that is your issue.

 

I am not sure what you are trying to get at that. I know damned well Tito started at welterweight. The Jones-Tito fight I misremembered that it was at a catchweight instead of 175. And then obviously I did not do the exact maths from there.

 

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

whatever helps you say something to not admit anything

 

I was getting at that the Jones fight wasn't contested 40lbs above Trinidad's fighting weight as you'd claimed. Nothing more, nothing less. You've now provided clarification on that specific, thank you.

 

Hagler when he fought Mugabi and Leonard

 

OK, so here is a genuine question that has always interested me. Did Jones EVER have a great chin, or was it simply that at his peak, and I apologise for using this cliche but it illustrates my point, was his ability and reflexes so far above his competitors certainly at middle and super middle that he saw punches coming and that split second, and I mean split second difference in timing and vision gave him the ability to take the sting out of them? I awlays felt after he went up the weights his reflexes were poorer and when he came down from heavyweigh they were shot...and yes, we are talking split seconds, but that matters at that level.

 

He withstood clean punches from the likes of Castro, Hopkins, Sosa, & even Toney, all of whom were noted punchers. His durability wasn't an issue until he started getting hit by full-fledged lhws, which (not coincidentally) coincides w/ him becoming much more defensive-oriented in fights.

 

Kinda my point. When he went up and fought fighters who were slower, he got hit more because his own extra size slowed him down slightly...I'd have to rewatch his fights but I dont remember him being hit cleanly and heavily by fighters...hit? Yes, but his split second timing always allowed him to 'ride' the punch to an extent