Why is Sugar Ray Leonard ranked so much higher than Hagler all-time?

I assure you I am not.

You cant just throw out those perforamces especially if there was nothing wrong with him. lets face it, he didnt just lose, he was completely defeated physically, and mentally. And I never saw him matched up with the Micheal Nunns or Mccallums. Dont you remember that he chickened out of making his first middleweight defense? This is why i dont understand how people can say his comp was better than hagler's. It was the other way around!

One other thing. The way Leonard lost to Norris and Camacho being that hw as heavily favored to win.

he was destroyed! Hagler was never destroyed. hagler was also never dropped or stopped. Leonard was in a very short career. And that is MY criteria. Because of this, Hagler is elevated and Leonard fades into insignificance

 

Very true, Leonard went straight to the top - to the guy that whupped the pair of them and beat him. Not much need for fukking around with the likes of Hamsho and Roldan after that achievement

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judging by how he fared with "lesser types" like Norris and Camacho I can understand his reluctance

 

Oh for sure, the Hagler's and Hearn's are far less dangerous than the Roldans and Hamsho's who they were oh so lucky enough to flatten.

 

Hagler was destroyed by Leonard. Mentally before the fight, during the fight, and after the fight. Hagler walked off the press tour and couldn't take no more. And even years later he still cries about the decision.

Hagler's excuses, moaning, and general behaviour was laughable; Leonard's punches never hurt him, and you need to stand fighting to take the title from a champion. A slick boxer doesn't suddenly need to change his whole style when challenging for a world title. It's about winning rounds and not all about concusive damage.

Hagler walked away from the sport after losing to a natural welterweight who had one fight in five years.

Why do you keep referring to "Leonard's fans" etc. I'm not a Leonard fan.

 

Okay Leonard fan whatever you say but the fact is, getting by with a split decision is not my idea of destroying an opponent. what self respecting person would lay claim to this?

Also as I recall it, Hagler gave his time to the press conference immediately after the fight. Leonard gave one minute of his time then said I'm tired. Probably from all that running.

I personally dont blame Hagler for complaining the way the judges ripped him off, especially that horrible judge from Mexico. has he been back to the States since? I hope not

It's a legitimate excuse all on it's own for better security of our borders

 

The Hagler of the Leonard fight is lucky that Bernard Hopkins wasn't born 10-15 years earlier. Because if Hopkins was sharing a ring with that particular version of Hagler it would have been an embarrassment for the 'Marvelous one'.

Close to Leonard's speed, similar ring generalship, physically stronger, and much more durable. Hopkins would have wiped the floor with that version of Hagler. Just look at Hagler during the 9th round when he had Leonard pinned against the ropes. No ferocity, speed, nor the variety to land punches regularly on a stationary target sagging against the ropes. Hopkins would have bounced 3-4 punches off Hagler's shaven nugget for every one in return. Solid punches. And a stoppage due to accumulation zooming towards Hagler would have been highly possible indeed.

I'll tell you another thing. People go on about Hagler's discipline and dedication as a fighter. I think Hopkins was even more 'spartan like' in his approach to the game. Especially between fights. The man never went above 166lbs between fights as a middleweight. It's been well documented that Hopkins doesn't go near unhealthy food or sip a glass of wine, far less having a bottle of beer. Could Hagler match that when he was active? Probably not.

Hopkins kept in shape so thoroughly 365 days a year for years on end that he stepped onto scales for his fight with De La Hoya weighing 156lbs at the age of 39. Hagler said he couldn't get down to 154lbs without weakening himself for a proposed Leonard fight in 1982 at the age of 27. Back in 1999, Hopkins was willing to meet De La Hoya at jr middleweight. The man was willing to make sacrifcies.

And just for the record, Hopkins beats any version of Hagler.

 

Ive seen Hagler and I've seen Hopkins and can safely tell you that Hopkins was of much lesser grade. first off being a southpaw, second I can guarantee Hopkins never would have got past that jab. Hagler would have controlled him from a distance and eventually backed him up

I see Hopkins not being so eager to move in on Hagler and even being intimidated going up against such superior class. Once it goes to the inside, Hagler ups the pace further putting a strain on Bernard


Upon moving in close (without much success), Hopkins now starts to resemble a club fighter with a second rate infighting game, missing with sloppy, wide blows that at best graze Hagler and begins tiring badly-similar to the Roberto Duran-Davey Moore matchup. Hagler's precision punching making a mess of his features and wilting from Marvin's counters to the ribs.

After seven rounds, Hopkins eyes become mere slits, his mouthpiece a bright pink color and by round eight the corner mercifully stops their fighter from taking further punishment

 

What are you even rambling on about, boy? You are aware that Hopkins arguably holds a perfect record against lefties now, aren't you? How can you even have a second point when your first is so seriously off the mark?

 

Nevermind the fact that Hopkins would have made dead certain he avoid the stoppage loss even if he was desperately behind. He's just negative like that.

 

RR, Out of curiosity where do you rank SRL in an all time p4p sense?

 

In his first post

 

I've read more believable stuff in Penthouse Forum.

That said I do favour Hagler over Hopkins as well but it would only be by the narrowest of margins in a tactical nip and tuck affair.

No way known any middleweight in history does a number on Hopkins like you envisage.

 

I am a lazy ******* arnt I.

I am bit suprised Rooster rates Leonard that high

 

Ketchel potentially could...