Why is Sugar Ray Leonard ranked so much higher than Hagler all-time?

Last time i looked Leonard only fought once in 5 years.

Like i was saying about that math buddy

 

Nothing constructive regarding your post coming back from him at all, huh. So he decides to talk complete nonsense.

 

That's Red

 

Mind he said Honeyghan would have beaten Leonard?. I was actually going through the archives earlier on some Curry info and noticed he mentioned that.

"I stick by what I said. Lloyd was one of the strongest welters I've ever seen-even stronger than Basilio or Napoles. he was all muscle and he had leverage that wouldn't quit. And he was fearless and hungry.

Ray was a good technician but he'd get hurt early by Honeyghan-there's no doubt about that. He wouldn't be able to avoid his attack for very long so I ask myself: How would Ray survive?"

 

Rooster is dumb when it comes to downgrading Leonard in this aspect. He continually goes on about the greatness of Norris and Camacho. Obviously because they beat Leonard. And about 6 months ago he said Camacho was the best pure boxer of the last 40 years. So, surely that makes those losses not too bad at all considering how great he thinks they both are. We know Leonard was well past his sell-by-date. But I'm looking at from his perspective. If I was in Rooster's shoes, I'd be saying that Leonard lost to two bums or non elites who were a level below him. It would make Leonard look even worse in his eyes.

 

Red's got too many HOF quotes to bring up LOL

90% SRL, the others often Monzon and co getting beat by Roldan and Fletcher and Camacho bull

 

then continued on like nothing happened, no injuries to worry himself.. fighting into his old age when he cant even fight at age 26. It's no wonder he doesnt have more skeptics

let's face it, it was the showing of the opponents, not any injury that was the sole reason he would either re-enter or keep out of the sport and if anyone cant admit it, it's because they're thinking with their heart which most fans tends to do, and not their head. but at some point we have to face reality about this guy.

he even said it himself every time he takes a loss "it just wasnt there". that's his back up excuse in case he meets up with someone who has his number.

Remember that he was about to retire after his second pro fight and the first Duran fight-the pattern had been set and that's why I doubt his toughness. His talent is another story. I think his talent makes up for his lack of toughness. Ray Leonard lacks the toughness that others have but has the talent that others dont have but it does have limits, such as what we saw in the Norris fight.

he couldnt take Norris out early and he couldnt cope with him from the outside, could never lay a glove on him due so the fight became one sided to everyone's surprise.

I think that once the fight goes against him (once again, it wasnt there) then he cant adjust in the middle of a fight and loses heart.

 

Not only that Robbi but the night he destroyed Don Curry would have also cut down leonard before 12. I think he would have ambushed Ray Leonard the way he did to Donald.

Donald didnt suspect Lloyd was so incredibly well conditioned and powerful then before he realized it, he was reeling at the end of Lloyd's blows.

If I were a fighter, I would love to possess the physical gifts of Honeyghan, Tony Ayala Jr, or Juan Roldan. They were just great brawlers that could get lesser men out of there and put them into a coma.

to be honest I doubt many could survive the fury of Lloyd. He just could not be denied that day.

Now as for boxers, the kind of skills to make the likes of Pernell Whitaker green with envy is that of of a Hector Camacho, the man he patterned his style after.

he was smart to do so but Hector was the original-faster than greased lightning-fast enough offfensively to put another man down in the blink of an eye. And skilled in the art of hit and dont get hit using angles to blindside another boxer with a sudden attack better than anyone I've seen, and with a defense that was virtually unbreachable. In other words, hitting a young Camacho was harder than hitting a cloud. Kind of makes todays stars like Hopkins look quite ordinary

 

Yeah, we saw that against Hearns didn't we . Got tattoo'ed and outboxed for the longest time and then,..... hmmmm hang on


:good

 

Hearns lack of long distance endurance the deciding factor. couldnt repeat performance with Norris.

 

Yeah, sorta like Ali not being able to outlast Berbick as he did Foreman

 

Or Roy Jones being outdone once he came up against the speed and fistic wrath of Calzaghe

 

Hagler also beat Duran and Hearns, but Leonard was a natural 147 fighting a natural 135 in Duran and a fellow natural 147 in Hearns.

Hagler was a natural 160 fighting a natural 135 in Duran and a natural 147 in Hearns.

Therefore, Leonard beating them is more impressive than Hagler beating them - especially Duran as the 1980 version was a far far better fighter than the mid-80s version.

 

Wrong!! As Rocky Graziano once said "Hearns was a middleweight in a welterweight's body-that's why he'll beat Hagler"

hearns started out at 147 but was several more years before he could fill out that frame with some muscle. This didnt happen until he was about 25. hearns at the time he met leonard seemed almost skeletal and sickly-had no idea how to clinch his way out of trouble. being champion for 1 year with 3 defenses doesnt tell you much about a fighter. After 7 years professional and two titles it makes sense that same fighter has improved and grown stronger since. Wouldnt you agree?

 

Calzaghe is a nice fighter but to Jones in his prime he would be another dime a dozen type just waiting to be embarrassed. That's just how it is John.