Why is Sugar Ray Robinson considered the GOAT ?

Because Bert Sugar said so.

Truth is TBE schools him.

 

Maybe, I don't know. But what does that have to with anything? Could Di Stefano, Puskas and Kubala compete with the best of today if they were brought from the 50's? Would even Johann "Three Packs a Day" Cruyff from the 70's? Probably not, if you ask me.

Does that make the slightest difference in how I rank them? Do I think that friggin Lukaku is a greater player all time because they perhaps wouldn't reach his level if brought to the present time? Hell no. No sane person would.

So why apply such nonsensical thinking when ranking fighters?

 

Almost the biggest Troll on here!

 

Next question.
Why did Muhammad Ali only fight the dregs of the division???

 

And for the next thread; Why was Ernie Shavers considered a puncher? Look at his resume, he was a featherfisted bum.

 

You could argue that SRR is the GOAT, there are some other candidates too.

I personally feel Greb is top of the heap.

 

BC knows what's up!

 

The only thing that matters is H2H ability. The rest is theology.

 

I'd say that they would definitely fare well with some time to adjust to different strategies and to train within more modern cardio training.

 

Yeah, cause theology doesn't matter... that's what makes modern society so limited.

H2H ability is completely arbitrary. If you like someone, you can believe that he'd dominate Ali, Foreman and Louis on the same night and you can't prove it wrong. Judging fighters by resume is much more objective approach.

 

Maybe Jones Jr above 160.But Pac would get annihilated at welter against
Robinson.

 

Ok then, so do you think Lukaku is a greater footballer player than Puskas or do you think Puskas would have done better in the Premier League than Lukaku if he was transported straight here from the 50's?

SRR proved his h2h ability as well as anyone against the ones he could face. It doesn't mean jack for his ATG standing If one believes that progress in the sport means that his h2h ability wouldn't be the same if he time travelled to the present time.

 

Who decided those rules ? You have no dominion over the sport.

Also H2H is different from greatness but they are also connected at points. Imo a fighter cannot be a H2H monster if their resume does not suffice, how could they ? For example, Vitali Klitschko. H2H is all subjective however which is why i said in my opinion. You may disagree but if you're mainly basing H2H stats on physical stats or modern training more than resume then you're going to have make a damn good argument to convince me unless you're arguing against a rudimentary fighter from the early 20th century

Like i said. All subjective

 

So record and verifiable things that actually happened is theology, but highly subjective and interpretable 'head-to-head ability' isn't?

That makes an awful lot of of sense.

 

^^^Furthermore, who on earth actually believes Mayweather would school Sugar Ray Robinson? He couldn't even school an old Oscar De La Hoya, who, embarrassingly, is the closest man he ever fought to Robinson, stylistically.