Why is Sweet Pea so highly regarded?

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Top 5 HWs is perfect though...........so my turbulence kicks down a notch
     
  2. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Haydn! It's Haydn!
     
  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    PM ushvinder. He has all the answers on this one. :good
     
  4. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Whitaker is highly regarded because he really was that good. He literally cleaned out the lightweight division. He beat some really good fighters too. Unified the belts. His boxing was beautiful. He was so darn hard to hit, great head movement, guard, footwork, condition, could throw a lot of punches too and didn't simply just run and grab. Though he had plenty of angular footwork, and wasn't much of a puncher, he managed to hit guys just hard enough and often enough that he controlled the action despite his lack of big power. A masterful boxer, a Willie Pep with more strength and power. Just look at the names on his resume. He fought veterans right away too. Heck, how many guys in their pro debuts fight a guy who is 9-0?:

    John Montes, 29-3 (whitaker only 7-0)
    Rafael Williams, 24-2 (whitaker only 8-0)
    Roger Mayweather 26-4 (whitaker only 11-0 taking on former world champ with power)
    Miguel Santana, 21-1-1
    Jose Luis Ramirez, 100-6 (whitaker only 15-0 taking on a guy with over 100 fights, and most thought whitaker deserved the win)
    Greg Haugen, 23-1, (whitaker wins first title at 16-1 in 1989)
    Louie Lomeli, 24-0
    Jose Luis Ramirez, 102-7 (whitaker dominates rematch)
    Freddie Pendleton, 24-16-3 (whitaker beats former and future champ)
    Azumah Nelson, 32-1 (whitaker outboxes really strong ATG feather champ, who would be a champ again)
    Juan Nazario, 22-2 (unifies belts)
    Anthony Jones, 26-2-1
    Poli Diaz, 32-0
    Jorge Paez, 38-3-4 (another champion fighter)
    Harold Brazier, 78-10-1
    Rafael Pineda, 28-1 (wins light welter title)
    Buddy McGirt, 59-2-1 (defeats really good fighter who had beaten Simon Brown, winning welterweight crown)
    Julio Cesar Chavez, 87-0 (technically a draw, but everyone knows whitaker essentially handed the unbeaten legend his first loss in a beautiful performance)
    Santos Cardona, 29-3
    Buddy McGirt, 64-3- (wins again in rematch)
    Julio Cesar Vasquez, 53-1 (defeats a really strong fighter to win a jr. middle title – keep in mind whitaker is not a puncher and is only 5’6” or less – beating a guy who had beaten the hell out of Winky Wright)
    Gary Jacobs, 41-5
    Jake Rodriguez, 28-3-2
    Wilfredo Rivera, 23-0-1 (twice)
    Diobelys Hurtado, 20-0
    Oscar de la Hoya, 23-0 (whitaker loses a close and controversial decision; many thought it was a draw; keep in mind this is 1997 – whitaker turned pro in 1984 and was going up against a 1992 Olympic gold medalist)
    1999 – Felix Trinidad, 33-0, first time whitaker is really beaten clearly, at age 35, just over 14 years into his pro career, and he was using cocaine at that point, having tested positive in his last fight in 1997)
     
  5. Manila

    Manila Temporarily Unbanned Full Member

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    Watch these six fights in chronological order:

    HAUGEN

    RAMIREZ II

    NELSON

    McGIRT I

    CHAVEZ

    McGIRT II

    If you still don't think he is the equal of anyone else who has ever worn gloves after doing so, I'd advise you to take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror, and ask yourself if this is really the sport for you, if you're really being the best person you can be.
     
  6. StWerburghs

    StWerburghs Active Member Full Member

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    Watch him with your eyes open :admin
     
  7. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i can understand a slugging fan not wanting to watch witaker, but to not appreciate the skills, i dont understand at all
     
  8. anj

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    :lol:
     
  9. chancery

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    PW at 135 could beat anybody from any era. he was that great.
     
  10. RafaelGonzal

    RafaelGonzal Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    exactly my point but the youtube warriors and this new breed of technical, skillset, rigondeaux worshipping, its called boxing......mother****ers on this sight love him... yet I dont think he really ever did **** with this supposed top 10 atg talent? maybe its me but a one handed defensive specialist with close to no offense just leaves me cold and I thought although he was one of the best at not getting hit, he provided scant offense and was boring as hell. Overrated, who exactly did he face and beat? my point exactly.
     
  11. john garfield

    john garfield Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Forget looking through Pea's record, TC; watch tape of him boxing. That will tell you why he was so highly regarded. At his best, ya couldn't him in the ass with salt.
     
  12. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember very early in my esb career arguing with somebody (sweet_scientist I think) that Pea would be underrated because he had what some would consider a boring style and they wouldn't watch his fights and take his record at face value. To their detriment.

    To the two gentleman above: there is your answer.
    Correct answerer. Now for the bonus- Swedenborg metaphysics delimit what analogous conspiracy?
     
  13. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was watching the Azumah Nelson fight, and this man is amazing. You just need to watch him. He just had this incredible insight on what his opponent was going to do and his head movement was impeccable it rivals that of Mike Tyson. It's hard to explain.
     
  14. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Gonzal was praising Camacho in another thread as well.

    A man who as safety first as it gets and scared to engage for most of his career.The son of Edwin Rosario.

    Yet pea falls short:lol:
     
  15. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Whitaker is highly regarded because of the ease in which he beat very good fighters. He made it look easy and he took on everyone. I always thought even Azumah Nelson at lightweight would have been a good fighter, but he beat him easily. Azumah still went 12.