Why is the UFC gaining popularity?

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  1. Wilsonbox

    Wilsonbox New Member Full Member

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    Silva is a natural 185 lbs, Chavez is a natural 160, who due to undisciplined and drug addict gives 185 lbs, currently Chavez is not even in the top 100 of his division
     
  2. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1 ko punches rarely happen in boxing. And they usually have to set it up. Either through body work , stamina decrease or waiting for the right time to drop the guard of the opponent. Or when they overwelm them with punches. A wrestler just has to ankle bite takedown. Get low enough to where the boxer has no force . Grab the legs and take them down. Boxers get wrapped in clinch all the time. Think how easy logan paul was able to clinch floyd so many times. Its that easy to take them down. Aiming for a chin is harder than grabbing a leg.
     
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  3. Moggy94

    Moggy94 Active Member Full Member

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    You really clutching at straws here, Tom Erikson never had good stand up and was a wrestler, they picked a winnable fight for Briggs. Francois Botha was willing to go out of his comfort zone and fight legit MMA and Kickboxers, oh and by the way Botha got beat a middleweight MMA fighter.
     
  4. Moggy94

    Moggy94 Active Member Full Member

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    Look at what happened to former IBF Cruiserweight Champion and Kickboxing champion (Had a win over Vitali Klitschko) James Warring:

     
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  5. HUEwarrior

    HUEwarrior New Member Full Member

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    Honestly, being myself from Brazil and a bjj practioner, I don't believe in many things the Gracie's were involved. Anyway...
    What called my attention in this fight you showed is the fact
    1) James Warring absolute lack of footwork, something that, again, makes absolutely no sense against a grappler. The best way to avoid a takedown is to keep yourself moving.
    2) James Warring LOW GUARD. Look at 4:39. James Warring just puts his arm down and stand still, giving up completely the jab. If you are fighting a grappler, the jab is probably the most important weapon you can have after your footwork, because the jab is made to break rhythm, stop fast incursions. For example, when you're fighting a pressure fighter, someone who's charging at you, the jab to the head and to the body are two good ways to keep the distance and stop them to reach you.
    3) Why he didn't hold up to the cage? Maybe it was against the rules, I don't know, but it would definitly stop the takedown. Look at this fight here in the early days of UFC between Wallid Ismail (Renzo Gracie, the guy from your video, arch enemy) and this japanese karateka Kazuo Takahashi. Put the video at 6:14 and you can start to see how he uses the fence to stop Wallid's takedowns. Wallid was Carlson Gracie alumni.
     
  6. HUEwarrior

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    Knockouts are super common in boxing, especially when you have a large difference of talent between boxers. Of course, by the time you reach super fights level, they become more difficult because the level of opposition is way better. Most grapplers can't take the punches professional boxers take.
    Ankle bite is very effective, indeed, but to do it you need to be faster than your opponent. If he has a decent footwork and is using it, time an ankle pick is hard and could put into a dangerous zone, as your opponent could exploit your mistake to give you a soccer kick (Wanderlei Silva did it a lot in the PRIDE days).
     
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  7. Wilsonbox

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    In the street you will not see people throw themselves at each other's feet to knock them down.
    Not even that someone fights like this, mma is far from a real fight.

     
  8. Wilsonbox

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    Regarding the effectiveness of the 'double leg' in the first broadcasts of the UFC and why "everyone", "coincidentally", fell with that technique, something more than the simple factor of surprise intervened and that the opponents "were not used to the grappling", all this is marketing by the Gracie family: the truth is that at the last moment they modified the regulations and prohibited any attack while the double leg technique was being performed, that is why they did not put their hands in or where to land a knee or whatever In other words, it seemed that "no one knew" how to defend against that technique, and therefore, the BBJ was superior, but rather, "no one could" defend against that technique because that is how the competition was regulated, which is very different, and nothing more or less the Gracie family created those rules because that was their event to promote their fighting style and then be able to say that it is superior to any other style, and under the fallacy that the cage "is equal" to a street fight , the BBJ was considered the best self defense system on the street

     
  9. Moggy94

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    Just to mention though that video against James Warring wasn't in the UFC, also what's Francois Botha's excuse for getting taken down and subbed by a much smaller Yoshihiro Akiyama?

     
  10. Moggy94

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    I don't see where this theory comes from at all, go look at hundreds of street fights on the internet and see how many turn into grappling. Look at what happened between Hasim Rahman/Lennox Lewis or when Herbie Hide got into it with Michael Bennett I believe it was? They went to grappling. If a grappler ducks a boxer's punch they will grab them and it doesn't have to be the legs per as they can grab them round the waist and most boxers instincts it too panic as they are not used to it. A boxing match is just as much "Not a real fight" As MMA is.
     
  11. TMLT87

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    What you see or dont see in the street doesnt mean much. Most people you see in street fights are just thugs who have no training, and are often inebriated. They do what they're capable of doing which is throwing sloppy haymakers and kicking/stomping on people who are on the floor. That doesnt mean they are the only things that work.

    A "street fight" could mean all kinds of things - weapons, sucker punchers, being outnumbered etc etc, so you never know what will happen. But in an unarmed 1 vs 1 situation if you put an MMA fighter vs a boxer of comparable size, age and skill in their respective sport, the boxers are losing 90% of the time. Some boxing fans get super insecure about this fact though which is where all this "b...b...b...uh MMA isnt a real fight" and "I would just hit him in the balls" grasping at straws shyt comes from.
     
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  12. TMLT87

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    I cant believe I wasted 15 mins watching that.

    Most of what Wallace says is factually wrong or just illogical. He states Royce and Teila Tuli were the only grapplers in UFC 1, and that the Tuli fight was stopped not because Tulis ****ing teeth were flying into the crowd after he got punted in the head, but because Royce was scared of facing him. But wait...who did Royce actually face on the way to winning UFC 1? oh yeah...Ken Shamrock, a grappler. Wallace seems to have either forgotten Kens existence or didnt realise he was a grappler. Of course his theory of the sumo guy squashing Royce or whatever didnt play out years later when Royce beat Akebono, obviously he isnt aware of this though.

    Wallace also says that Royce was the only one allowed to wear any kind of uniform. if Bill had watched the next UFC like 6 months later he would have seen Royce fighting Gi wearing 6'4, 260lb judo black belt Remco Pardoel. The funniest thing he says is probably implying that Art Jimmerson lost not because he was a boxer with no grappling, but because the Gracies used the smoke machine on his entrance to trigger his asthma. For extra comedic effect he says this a few minutes after saying that the Gracies hand picked a bunch of guys that had no grappling so were stylistically suited to lose..so which is it?

    He also asks "where were the wrestlers?", well...at UFC 4, a year after the first UFC, Royce fought near olympic caliber HW wrestler Dan Severn....

    I'm not sure why you posted the video though. I mean, you're arguing that grappling doesnt work or something, wtf does this video have to do with that? if anything it contradicts your argument. Not to mention that Royce was gone within like 18 months of the UFC beginning anyway, and it wasnt pure strikers that took over after he left, it was grapplers and hybrid fighters who had the grappling skills to force you to strike with them.
     
  13. outtieDrake

    outtieDrake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    that old guy is dumb. they stopped the sumo guy because he got kicked in the head and was stunned and tko. you can rewatch the fight and see the sumo guy was koed for a few seconds, had the referee allowed Gerald to continue he would have put him out further into the dark realm. and using royce belt(or collar) to choke him with is not illegal, Ken was just pissed because royce used his sleeve or collar to choke him but these guys were allowed to wear shoes back then , ken choose to fight in tights. If anything the gi is a disadvantage because it allows you to grab on to his collar and punch him. Royce fought Keth Hackney, Keith grabbed his collar and punched him, totally legal. and royce found out the harder way with sakuraba how inefficient the gi was, that the rematch he fought without the gi.
     
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  14. Wilsonbox

    Wilsonbox New Member Full Member

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    both mma and boxing are not real fights
     
  15. Wilsonbox

    Wilsonbox New Member Full Member

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    Well we have not put 10 mma fighters vs 10 boxing fighters in a street fight without rules to be sure of that, we are only based on assumptions, in my opinion it is 60% wins the mma 40% the boxing