Why is there accountability for fighters but not for referee/ judges?

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  1. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This goes back to hoya claiming he "would put an investigation on Shane Mosley part two scoring cards." When arreola swears, he gets fined some paper amount to the commission. When someone bites somebody or goes after the ref they get suspended.

    Why don't the crooks (Tony weeks, judges like Moretti etc) keep getting work with no charges on THEM??? It's only fair you know, they represent the sport as well... We've seen Zab hit Jay nady, Mike Tyson bite Evander, but nobody flipping cares when persay a ref almost gets tommy Morrison killed by a ray Mercer, when a ref pulls a "bozo nono" same thing, good on the broadcast panel like teddy atlas trying to holler out this corruption.

    Vasily lomanchenko is launching an investigation towards the scorecards for the Haney fight and I'm pretty sure one of the judges HAS to appear and explain his scoring to the commission. This is the same guy who gave Ryan Garcia tank Davis a 10 10 round when king ry was floored. IT'S GETTING ONE STEP CLOSER to things getting better in our sport!
     
  2. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I think the judges are bought and paid for, simply put. I have no proof of that being the case in boxing, but I know in most types of sports that whenever judges/high ranking officials have a history of poorly scoring stuff (can be anything from the UFC, Olympics figure skating, baseball, soccer, etc.), usually its because somewhere along the line money is involved.
     
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  3. vilderbeast

    vilderbeast Member Full Member

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    Shouldn't be too difficult to have a pool of unbiased judges and refs available for whichever fights, wherever they are in the world
     
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  4. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because they are hired by the commission & sanctioning. Bodies & the promoters.

    it’s politics Loma is beloved by fans in the sport
    But he is old if he won it’s not realistic for him
    To fight:
    Tank
    Shakur
    @ lightweight

    then move up yet again to 140lb to take on
    Teofimo
    Taylor
    Ryan Garcia
    Progaris.. etc

    Loma is the past … Haney is the future.
    Everyone keeps eating for another decade
    As their are more fights to be had with at 23-24 year old champion.
    Out with the old in with the new - it’s the cycle of life.
     
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  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That is true, but the one caveat to that is : Haney may be the future, but his future may be at 140 or 147. He may have to vacate his titles because he is outgrowing the weightclass. Loma is older but is smaller and has no issues making 135 like Haney does. So what makes a rematch interesting is that Haney has to deal with the weight cut, and even though Loma isn't getting any younger, he doesn't have the wear and tear on his body like many 35 year olds do. And Loma still has about the same hand speed he had in his younger days, he really hasn't slowed down at all. So if it's really a struggle for Haney to make 135, then a rematch could favor Loma especially with the boxing public thinking Loma should have won the first time. That puts a lot of pressure on Haney.
     
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  6. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would love a rematch
    But I doubt it happens unless of course Devin was serious about the “I fight for Legacy NOT money” line he said In The build up to the fight.

    if that’s true the public opinion should bother him enough for him to want a clear indisputable victory by all like Mayweather vs Castillo 2.
     
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  7. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Judges and refs need to be held accountable. It’s the only way to insure fair fights. America sucks for championship fights and Las Vegas in particular as they always have three American judges. No other country does that. Hopefully Saudi Arabia will become the new Mecca(pun intended) of championship boxing.
     
  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Held accountable in what way?

    Among writers and fans I see a lot of people who thought Haney won. But because others disagree, they should be … fined or banned or … what?

    It was a close fight. A lot of rounds were close. No matter which way it went, someone was going to disagree. So does that mean in a close fight that all the judges and refs involved should be banned because some people see it differently?

    Tell me how the ‘accountability’ works.
     
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  9. vilderbeast

    vilderbeast Member Full Member

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    Not specifically Saudi but anywhere in the world should be allowed unbiased judgement. Pick names out of a hat. Would surely be fairer than the current system.
     
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  10. rawjones

    rawjones War ioka Full Member

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    There seems to be no recourse for fighters who are robbed too. I hope Loma's investigation goes well, but this problem has been going on for decades. It feels like the sport will never be cleaned up. The commission will stand by their judges and they will never be held accountable.
     
  11. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For example for weeks: withhold his pay for ruining the fight then further bar him from future championship fights for that organization for a while, or else: have him come on record being deemed charged or corrected whatever you wanna call it, as long as he's present, just like Margarito had to be present for his gloves, like tommy Morrison was present at a press conference about his hiv status, like iron Mike was in the building while being reprimanded for biting plus apologies afterwards, and revoke some of his pay and bar him from something towards 5 fights or the remainder of the year; whatever gets the message through. That fighters aren't the only ones in the law. Btw I agree it was a close fight not really hiway robbery but the fact that this stuff KEEPS repeating is catching black eyes, so if they want to interview a judge, I would say that's a bright thing to do. Heck even jack Reiss gave his assessment as to how he ruled the KD in Wilder fury one as well, a kd. He was very articulate and cognizant, no wrong pickings or misbehavior there at all.
     
  12. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Heck even Frank cappuccino said after letting round 9 of Gatti ward 1 go on: " I know how to ref a effing fight!"
     
  13. MAD_PIGE0N

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    Outside of the bias for the Haney-Lomachenko, the referees and the judges must be held accountable more often because, for the last few years, we saw all kinds of absurdities. Of course, the fighters must search for their justice more often, but weirdly they don't.
     
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  14. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You say you agree it’s not a robbery but ‘this stuff keeps happening.’

    If by that you mean, ‘there are close fights and some people don’t agree with how some judges scored it’ — of course that keeps happening. Fights that are close or fights with rounds that are close are going to ‘keep happening.’ And when they do, some judges see those rights and rounds one way and some see it the other.

    When there’s an outrageous card like the one for Canelo vs. Mayweather, I agree, look into it. When it’s a fight like Haney-Loma … there’s nothing to look into.

    I mean, should we go back at the live thread on Haney-Loma and ban all posters who don’t agree with Loma fans on the overall scoring or particular rounds … because they have an honest difference of opinion?
     
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  15. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    Fraud is difficult to prove. Big difference between being incompetent and fraudulent.
     
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