Why is Tysons competition poo pooed

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  1. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    My point was my reply to your post. The one I replied to. You claim Tyson didn't face every heavyweight out there, which is absurd since that's impossible. Holyfield didn't face everyone either, since it's literally impossible.

    Understand? Rather simple post. I call it like I see it. Tyson was the heavyweight for the 80's, Holyfield for the 90's mostly because Tyson was in prison for 3 years and hadn't fought in 4.

    Going further, Holyfield was lucky he didn't fight pre-prison Tyson.
     
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  2. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic Маму ти јебем, ону партизанску! Full Member

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    For accusing Tyson, they should rather accuse Holmes (never the undisputed champion). Tyson had to fight a different champion for each belt (and for the lineal belt). He didn't earn all the belts (and the lineal belt) like the next champions; Douglas and Holyfield.
     
  3. Paul McB

    Paul McB Member Full Member

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    I pretty much agree with this too for the most part.
    From what I’m reading overall though, the argument that some are making is that Tysons opposition isn’t very good because Holyfields was better?
    I always thought that they both faced good opposition, just at different stages.
     
  4. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Completely disagree. Berbick's best win, by far, was against Pinklon Thomas the perceived claimant to Holmes' throne and the guy Holmes refused to fight for obvious reasons. Thomas was ranked #10 by Ring's end of the year P4P voting in 1985 when Berbick beat him.

    Tate was nowhere near that, perceived or otherwise.
     
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  5. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    No, Berbick wasn't that good. He had double digit losses in a medium level era. The guy was strong, competitive, had a good chin and decent stamina but he was overall a pretty mediocre fighter in terms of skill and ability. Berbick would've gone life and death with Buddy Baer, Tony Galento, Nino Valdez, and Lou Nova as he was roughly on the same level as them. He'd win some, he'd lose some but he would probably have a hard time becoming champion and he certainly wouldn't have "ruled" anything.
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Joe Louis would have seen Berbick destroy Max Schmeling and Max Baer in a 2 on 1 fight and would have thrown his gloves in the trash and ran down the road screaming and that would be the last we saw of Joe Louis. We would find him 25 years later in a small Alabama town working as a cook in hole in the wall diner, still battling PTSD from the massacre he witnessed of Berbick on Schmeling and Baer. He still can't get the screams of Schmeling out of his head.
     
  7. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I pooh-pooh this post.

    Pooh-pooh!
     
  8. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Larry Holmes was the heavyweight of the 80s. Holyfield was in the 90s. Tyson had a few years that spanned the end of one decade and the start of another.

    Evander wasn’t lucky that Tyson was a ******. That’s on Tyson. Evander was ready and willing to fight him — in fact, it was Tyson who pulled out claiming injury (non-contact rib injury) the first time they signed.
     
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  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The real poo poo in this thread is that being slung by some Tyson lovers who want to act like Mike beat King Kong when he bested Trevor freaking Berbick.
     
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  10. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Aha, you dislike Tyson the boxer because he was a convicted ******! It's hard to separate the man from the fighter, but at least try to for FFS!!

    You're thisclose to claiming Tyson ducked him, while Holyfield took on soft touch has beens like 41 year old Foreman before signing to fight Tyson in 1991 (as long as Tyson took $15 mill while Holy took $25 mill).

    Tyson had a **** conviction looming over his head. Of COURSE he postponed the fight until after the trial. What would you do?
     
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  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Seriously though, Berbick was a good, strong solid contender/belt holder. As much as the late 60s-mid 70s era is revered, I can see Berbick making the top 10 in that era. Him and Lyle would have had a good fight.
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Berbick in the 80s until the Tyson fight:
    Wins over Tate, Page, Bey, Green, Thomas.
    Loses to Holmes, St Gordon, Tyson, Snipes.

    He was better than those guys.
     
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  13. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    The early 80s belonged to Holmes, the late 80s belonged to Tyson. You can argue about which one was the who's who but they both had their share of the 80s.
     
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  14. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To an aside, my previous coach beat berbick as well in the Olympics though. He was the Romanian medallist who nabbed the silver in Montreal. He was a straight up brawler , on pad work he would be like "one two now SWING SWING SWING" he is ancient nowadays but back in the day he used to fight at the Olympic auditorium. He was a hero in his hometown. A true fixture in amateur boxing.

    On a side note, I predict brawling with Tyson would not bode him too well lol. But then again he's forgotten more about boxing than I've ever learned. God bless em.
     
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  15. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I was just about to type that. But Holmes had 2 losses compared to Tyson's 0. Tyson also fought the better competition.

    In the 80's, Mike Tyson was the man. While Sugar Ray Leonard was the fighter of the 80's Mike Tyson was considered second only to SRL and even picked #1 by many in the fight game.

    Many forget that.
     
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