Why is/was Joe Calzaghe hated on

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  1. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was a known ducker, slapper as opposed to a puncher, and he kept getting British stoppages. All ingredients for people to dislike him. He only had two real KO's. The rest were ref stoppages, a good portion of those, of the British variety.
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who at SMW did he duck?
    We know he tried to get the Hopkins fight years previously only for Hopkins to have a change of mind and Jones decided to go after the HWs.
    Froch was still an unknown British champ when Calzaghe retired and deciding to fight undefeated unified champ Kessler and then Hopkins the LHW champ wasn't a duck.
    So who did he duck at SMW?

    Can't wait for this answer?


    Now the question you ducked previously

    You appear to have an issue with Calzaghe but not Dawson

    Dawson below in LHW title fights fought Adamek (5/6 years older)
    Adameks LHW resume is made up of 2 tough fights with Briggs, so between a drained Adamek in winning a title and loss to Pascal he fights

    Ruiz around 9 years older than him
    Mendoza around 7 years older than him
    Johnson around 13 years older than him
    Tarver around 14 years older than him
    Tarver around 14 years older again than him
    Johnson around 13 years older again than him

    He won a world title again against Hopkins when Hopkins was 18 years older than him

    Yet you have an issue with Calzaghe going up in weight, travelling to America and beating Hopkins with 3 American judges and an American ref in his first title fight at LHW after a long career that he was coming to the end of when there was around 7 years between their ages and 4 years before Dawson beat Hopkins which is arguably Dawsons best win
     
  3. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Glen Johnson, the fight was talked of, only for Slappy to decline, then when it was finally signed, Slappy kept feigning injury, until Johnson who was getting strung along, said **** it, and went in another direction. Low and behold, The Welsh Wanka, all of a sudden is miraculously healed, and lines up a fight as soon as Johnson moves on.

    Hopkins wasn't going to take the lesser share of the purse, that was the hold up.

    You can't say Froch was unknown, when most of Calzaghe's opponents were unknown. He ducked Froch.

    He ducked a prime Dawson also, preferring to fight two guys in their 40s, but refusing to face the dangerous young lion.
     
  4. bailey

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    Was that at SMW? Because that is where I said to you who did he duck at SMW and you go on about Dawson who left SMW when Calzaghe was there.
    First off, do you not remember that Johnson lost to Sheika for the shot at Calzaghe?
    Do you not remember Johnson lost to Woodhall in their third fight where if he won he was to face Calzaghe with Calzaghe sitting ringside?

    Still here read this below. An old post from another poster
    Johnson had many losses before he beat jones jr

    also not once throughout calzaghes reign was johnson ranked in the ringmag top 10 at SMW!
    He wasnt going to get a lesser share and also would have been the challenger and had his terms agreed with Calzaghe going to America then later had a change of mind

    How can fighting undefeated unified champ Kessler be ducking Froch? Froch was British champ and Kessler the WBC/WBA champ with a better record. You must be stupid if you think that is a duck. Then straight after that Calzaghe went up in weight to fight Hopkins which was a bigger and riskier fight than Froch and for a title at a new weight.
    So do explain how that was a duck to go for an undefeated unified champ rather than a lesser known British champ. Explain that one. Give us all a laugh
    So Calzaghe retiring after 46 fights and in his late 30s is a duck? Lol. also forgetting Calzaghe was at the end of a long career and nearer to 40 than 30 himself
    Now you say Calzaghe fought 2 guys in their 40s? Who were they because Jones wasnt in his 40s. Who are you referring to? this is you getting owned by me again right here lol

    As explained to you already
    Dawson was fighting at SMW and featured on the Calzaghe/Lacy undercard and had an WBO NABO SMW title but decided to go up to LHW and not face Calzaghe

    But Dawson on the other hand had more fights against an opponent in their 40s range than Calzaghe and wasnt in his late 30s like Calzaghe when doing do



    Now why do you keep ducking my question below? I can understand as you will be brutally ruined by the questions I have asked you above but, this particular one you have made a bigger point of ducking.

    You appear to have an issue with Calzaghe but not Dawson

    Dawson below in LHW title fights fought Adamek (5/6 years older)
    Adameks LHW resume is made up of 2 tough fights with Briggs, so between a drained Adamek in winning a title and loss to Pascal he fights

    Ruiz around 9 years older than him
    Mendoza around 7 years older than him
    Johnson around 13 years older than him
    Tarver around 14 years older than him
    Tarver around 14 years older again than him
    Johnson around 13 years older again than him

    He won a world title again against Hopkins when Hopkins was 18 years older than him

    Yet you have an issue with Calzaghe going up in weight, travelling to America and beating Hopkins with 3 American judges and an American ref in his first title fight at LHW after a long career that he was coming to the end of when there was around 7 years between their ages and 4 years before Dawson beat Hopkins which is arguably Dawsons best win
     
  5. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, he ducked him at Super Middleweight. The fight was signed, and Slappy Calsacky hurt his back from strenuous bathhouse activity or something, more than once, only to be miraculously healed with a quick fight lined up once Johnson moved on.

    Yes he ducked Froch. He had no problem fighting the Manfredo Jr's, and Cabery Salems, and Tucker Pudwills. Calzaghe retiring at 37 with no wear and tear on him, when a prime young bull is there waiting for him, is what it is. He longed for nights with the White Rhino, instead of a night in the ring getting his arse handed to him by some young prime buck. Not everyone has the balls of Hopkins or others who fight top level opposition when they are at an advanced boxing age. Oh wait, Calzaghe wasn't even that old for a boxer.
     
  6. Stallion

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    It's more of a cultural thing if we could put it like that, in a way similar to the Klitschko situation.

    What he represented and how he fought, and what he achieved in the process while "escaping" from boxing undefeated made him unacceptable to certain parts of boxing community.

    Good percent of those certain groups are brought in a sub-culture that won't allow them to associate with or give credit to the likes of Calzaghe.
     
  7. Luis Fernando

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    You don't have to worry about me here! I could be a god for all you know.

    I don't care how many fights he's 'won' or who he's beaten. None of that, doesn't change the ACTUAL fact here that in a combat sport, where the rule is to specifically land punches with the knuckle part of the gloves, Calzaghe has CHRONICALLY (CHRONICALLY being the key word here) slapped with the side and the palm of his hands, fight after fight, against opponent after opponent. Not only that, but he, along with his fanatics are proud of such a thing.

    I'm sorry, but I can't respect ANY MAN for fighting like a little sissy girl on a REGULAR basis, and be proud of it. It's one thing to break a rule, and it's another thing to break a rule whilst showing signs of a feminine sissy. And it's TOTALLY another thing to be proud of such a thing. Which makes Calzaghe worse than just a cheater or a cheater who just fights like a sissy. Calzaghe is the worst of the worst, and the scum of all the scums that could possibly EVER exist (from the context of combat).

    And you're acting like bringing the name of other boxers / ATG's is somehow supposed to address the ACTUAL fact that Calzaghe is

    a) a cheater

    b) a cheater who breaks the rules by using feminine / sissy tactics

    c) a cheater who is proud of winning fights by cheating using feminine / sissy tactics.

    Unfortunately for you, it doesn't address that fact.


    And please cry me a river with all these 'hand damage' excuses. I don't care and don't want to read / hear any of it. If you are physically impaired / damaged, to the point where you become unable to fight like a MAN whilst abiding by the rules, then don't participate in boxing AT ALL. It's really as simple as that! You don't get a pass for cheating because you are physically impaired. It doesn't work that way!

    I respect a MAN that doesn't participate in any combat events AT ALL, more than a 'man' who does, whilst cheating using feminine / sissy tactics to 'win' his contests.

    Hence, Calzaghe is the lowest of the low and the worst of the scums for me. Disgusting seeing a fully grown man slapping his way to 'wins' and any REAL man wouldn't support such a disgusting excuse of a human being.
     
  8. HerolGee

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    nothing to do wiht his boxing, he was a good world class smw opponent, if any little league titlist like an ibo one today managed to briefly, eventually win major titles like joe did (albeit without defending them more than once), they would be recognised as world class too.


    its when we learned about his marital and drug abuse whilst pretending he was the good guy. It is right to be disgusted by people like mayweather.

    the way he treated the jones fight as more than the obvious exhbition it was. People look like total wakners showboating in an exhibition against a shot guy. His true character was surfacing there I guess.
     
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  9. EJC83

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    Jones wasn't the fighter he was, but neither was Joe, and there was only 4 years between them. The fight could have happened years ago, when Jones was in his prime, Calzaghe wanted it, but it didn't happen. Calzaghe was the only person around then with the superior ability coupled with an incredible engine that could go in with a prime Roy Jones Jnr and actually stand a real chance of beating him. Jones was freaklike but Calzaghe had the fundamentals that he could only dream of, and with a chin and engine that could go the distance.

    Al this Jones was shot talk, if we're talking about shot fighters, you could say that Calzaghe was shot way before his big fights against Lacey and Kessler, his hands were destroyed and he had to change his style. That's the difference, when Jones began to lose what he had he didn't have enough left to adapt and change, Joe did, and he stayed on top doing it. People can say what they want, but that's what happened.
     
  10. NoNeck

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    Who was he supposed to fight? 168 sucked at the time and he fought who was there except Ottke.
     
  11. Loudon

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    The answer is obvious: He should have moved up.

    Especially as he had to kill himself to make weight.
     
  12. NoNeck

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    That isn’t obvious. 175 was pretty poor in the late 90s/early 2000s too. There was talk of a Jones fight but it didn’t happen. Dariusz is well known for missing out on big fights.

    Tarver didn’t make it to the top until Joe was almost done and spent a lot of time making fights with Jones and Glen Johnson. By that time, Calzaghe was fighting top opposition anyway.
     
  13. Loudon

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    EJC83,

    "Calzaghe wanted it..."

    Behave.

    It's so tiresome reading nonsense like this.

    The definition of a shot fighter:

    A fighter who is no longer capable of winning at the highest level.
     
  14. Loudon

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    Yes, it was obvious.

    He was killing himself to make weight. He literally had to starve himself. And that just makes it even worse.

    Go and read his autobiography.

    He considered himself a natural LHW.

    Although the LHW division wasn't stellar, it was better than the SMW division, with lots of recognisable names which could have raised his profile in the U.S.

    The LHW division contained:

    Roy, Dariusz, Hill, Griffin, Reggie Johnson, Nunn and Tarver etc.

    Now I'm not saying he could have moved up and just fought whoever he'd have liked. We know that match making is hard. But he could have targeted those guys instead of fighting the guys who he did, and he had the backing of a huge network in Showtime.

    Now consider who he starved himself to fight instead.

    Even in 2005, he was rematching Mario Veit, despite the fact that he'd already beaten him in a round just a few years earlier. And that's because was happy to fight whoever the WBO mandated him to fight.
     
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  15. HerolGee

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    Joe can say what he wants too, and what he says ruins your post - he said he'd hate fighting shot jones, 2 years before facing him. Shame that the man you are trying to back contradicts you entirely but heyho, you can say what you want to, it seems.
     

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