why is winky still top p4p?

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  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    soooo... are you saying that a draw against the middle champ, and a close loss to Hopkins should REMOVE him from the p4p?
     
  2. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You know nobody is in top #10 pvp to the end of his live.
    There are other guys who deserve to be at this list because their
    recent accomplishments are better than getting draws and loses.

    To be at the top of the world best list require to be active and wins all the time.
    I don't get it, how can anyone be top 10 boxer in the world if he is drawing and losing his fights.

    NOBODY IS REMOVING him from P4P list, he just drops outside top 10.
    On my list he is around # 15.
     
  3. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    You shouldn't get pts, even if robbed, nor close fights - its ridiculous.
     
  4. El Bombasto

    El Bombasto Ask yo momma Full Member

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    Because pound-for-pound 'rankings' are meaningless
     
  5. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What isn't then?
     
  6. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    And yet its the measuring system that most go by.
     
  7. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    a loss is a loss...should make way for people who wins! dont think he should still be there too..maybe top 15 right now
     
  8. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    To some people he was top 3 - he shouldn't move so far down. Some people still feels he lost to an elite.
     
  9. box03

    box03 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Its not like winky got blowed out by hopkins or taylor, both of them were close fights that could of gone either way. Winky is way more deserving of a top 10 spot then roy jones who hasnt beaten anyone good in 4 or 5 years and has been beaten badly when he has thought better than C+ oppenents like johnson and tarver again.
     
  10. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i dunno...i still think he hasnt proven he can win in a long time, i wouldnt say he got beaten up badly but still he lost, and P4P is about winning your fights and not losing it in a heroic effort.
     
  11. DanePugilist

    DanePugilist God vs God - Death Angel Full Member

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    I totally agree.
     
  12. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    I like Winky, but there have been too many other guys winning that deserve a top 10 P4P ranking. It's not fair to punish them because Winky has been "not winning" impressively.

    Plus, if he wins his next fight against a name guy, it's not like people wouldn't jack him right back up the rankings. I'd like to see Wright vs Abraham myself.
     
  13. Wilhelm

    Wilhelm Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Exactly. He was the champ at 154 and then moved up to fight the champs of the next two higher weight classes and fought very well against them. Not some lame "belt holders", but the legit champs at those weights. If that's not PFP then what the hell does PFP mean?
     
  14. Fab2333

    Fab2333 Needs to Get It 2Gether Full Member

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    I dont think thats a right assesment.
    So if Floyd were to lose to Hatton, that would just automatically propel him to #15 or somewhere around there on the p4p list for 1 L. After he has been winning for years?

    Winky has been doing his thing 4 the past couple of years. Arguably the best 154 pounder to lace up gloves.
    He beat Shane 2x's
    Beat Tito
    I had him winnning the Vargas fight but thats neither here nor there. he moved up drawed with the middleweight champion. And I thought he won that fight by the way but for the record its a draw. he beat a good fighter in Ike Quartey
    He lost to an ATG in Bernard Hopkins, to just move him all the way down to #15 isnt to right.

    the definition of p4p I thought was based on a skill factor
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    So if we go by that defintion, there isnt to many people that would have been higher than #15 that can beat him. So droppin him 2 #15 isnt right
     
  15. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Your delusional.

    Now as for the original question.

    He beat Mosely twice....then beat Tito by shutout....then beat a tough fighter in Solimon...then drew with Taylor....then beat Quartey convincingly....then lost a close fight with Hopkins.

    So, 5 of his last 7 fights have been vs top10 p4p fighters and in those he is 5-1-1.

    THAT is why.