why is winky still top p4p?

yeah i 4got about Sam solimon. Hes another 1
I agree wit ya sues

 

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I just dont understand how people attempt to discredit Winky for losing to one of the best fighters of this generation?

I am sure these people who want Wright out of the top ten, want someone who hasnt fought anywhere NEAR the competition he has in his last few.

Someone said that a loss is a loss and that the top10 should be left for people who win (too lazy to go back and look who said it)....but that makes ZERO sense.

Winky lost to Bernard Hopkins and drew with Taylor before that.
Bronco Mckart (looked up a random name) just beat Enrique Ornelas (WHO?) and beat with Clarence Taylor (again WHO???) before that.

Going by that logic, Mckart should hold a higher p4p ranking than Winky....I mean....Bronco is 2-0-0 in his last 2....Winky is 0-1-1.

See my point.

 

Winky is a top 10 p4p fighter because over the past 5 years he has beaten Mosley twice, Trinidad, Quartey, Solomon fought a great fight against Taylor in which I had even or 7-5 Winky it was too close to call with a couple rounds. Then moved up to Light heavyweight which is 4 divisions higher that where he started and lost a close fight against one of the greatest fighters not only of this era but in the history of the sport. Winky is definately a HOF'er, top 10 p4p fighter still (I have at 8), and an ATG at 154.

 

Damn you must be thinking about a different Winky, because his loss to Hopkins is Winks first in 8 years. One could argue he hasn't really lost since Vasquez before the Hopkins fight.

 

Yeah, but you couldn't give Taylor more than 7 rounds of that fight. 8 rounds could have been scored for Winky. This fight was so close though it was really hard to score.

 

If the P4P list is the top fighters in the whole sport of boxing at any given time, which I think it is inteded as. Then it is not too much to ask that you win confortable and consistently against top opposition, that be strong contenders and champs. Who cares how fat you are when you fight? Fighting the best may force you to move up and down i weight but that does not come with an excuse.

What Winky did 3 years ago should not grant him a spot on todays list. I dont think he is one of the 10 most dominant and skilled fighters at the moment, but I like his style and I think he can come back.

 

He lost a CLOSE and COMPETATIVE fight to the best light heavyweight in the world. He came up from 160. It does little to affect his ranking. He goes down a spot or two because he lost but he remains a top P4P player.

Prior to X he drew with the best middleweight in the world in another CLOSE and COMPETATIVE fight. He beat the number 1 contender at 160 and three top 154 pounders in Mosley, Quartey and Tito.

He is not way below top 10. That is madness. 15 is respectable.

 

Winky never been at the level Floyd is.

If Floyd lose to Hatton he will probably drop out of top #3.
Then if Floyd lose to Mosley or Cotto for example he drops to the back of top #10.

He have credit for 2 loses. Winkys credis to be at top10 pvp is empty right now.

 

Why Winky didn't challenged any one of legitimate LHW champions but 43 years old blown up middleweight?

 

Most Money, biggest name, and the ring championship. Bernard Hopkins looks better on anyones ones record than any other a 175 right now. Chad Dawson might change that a few years down the road but as of right now B-Hop rules the roost.

 

But no one of these reasons is valid for legitimate "going up 4 divisions up".
Hopkins is not even a legitimate contender at LHW. His ring "so called championship"
is based on Tarvers lucky punch over faded Jones 4 years ago.

 

Why b/c Floyd is undefeated?
B-Hop aint undefeatd either. WHo has he beaten in the past 2 or 3 yrs?
He lost to Taylor not once but 2wice. So why is he ranked high on the p4p list.

I dont think 1 L in the past how many years, just drops you 2 #15.

 

Floyd is undefeated and #1 if you like it or not. Winky is not and never was.

Hopkins is high because he won with Tarver and currently with Winky.
Winky is low because he lost to Hopkins and drew with Taylor.
The people who wins stays high the guys who not stays low.
What problem do you have? Lets him keep winning he will be higher again.

 

im not disputing floyd being undefeated and #1. I agree with that. All im sayin is that he hasnt lost in his last in his last 13 fights prior to B-hop
And along the way he beat Mosley 2wice, Sam Solimon, Felix Trinidad, got a draw decision with Jermain Taylor (even though I think he won), Beat a good fighter in Ike Quartey, then he comes up 10 pounds to fight the best LHW out there in Bernard Hopkins. Gives a competitive fight, he loses, and that automatically propels him to #15 that is what I dont understand

the definition of p4p I thought was based on a skill factor
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. Hence, Robinson was called the pound-for-pound best without being expected to beat much larger fighters, under the belief that he as a Middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him."

So if we go by that definition, people that are ranked ahead of him he already beat h2h, or drawed with them etc.