absolutely, and a lot of times there will always be a grey area where it won't be as obvious in one division as another guys like froch (agreed) and Kessler have never been world champions, but it's not from lack of trying, and guys like this deserve huge respect regardless. my point is that guys like johnny nelson and felix sturm (my favorite whipping boy) are fighters we should all go out of our way to completely discredit, because they used boxing and all its belts as a way to fool beercan fans and get rich off them - all without ever having any intention of fighting the main players in their division