Why isn't Carnera in the IBHOF?

Foreman got up right after the count with Ali. In their final fight, Johansson got up right after the count with Patterson. In the rematch Walcott got up right after the count against Marciano. Are you going to say these guys were not dazed or sufficiently concussed to be counted out? Why are you so eager to disregard film of a genuine stoppage of a man who clearly was a match for tough level Johnny Risko?

Thank you for reproducing this report. Most interesting. I'm not sure "constant fouling" is necessary describing the parts written here. Just seems like a tough old fight to me. We can't rule out Campolo did himself out of the win with his fouling?

Either way, Campolo obviously is not useless. Whatever happened these were clearly very tough fights between Risko and Campolo.

I notice Campolo is not described as a thin armed bean pole. Mountainous Victorio Campolo, mañana mauler from the Argentine. sounds like one tough hombre to me.

 

I'm not making the diagnoses - you are.

I'm not. I am merely transcribing newspaper evidence on this thread for you to read. It's you who is making a meal out of it - to the extent that you assert Campolo was suffering from concussion.

I actually couldn't care less if he was or wasn't. What I take issue with is you stating opinion as fact.

If that's your take away from all this, then that's fine.

My take away is that a guy, who had significant physical advantages over his opponent (so much so that I have seen indication in a press report that New York refused to sanction the first bout), was unable to do enough to beat him on points, let alone knock him out. What did we think was going to happen when Campolo faced someone his own size, who had even a modicum of ability? It's not like Campolo had not been KO'd before by smaller men, is it?

Risko prevailed in many a tough spot, out-hustling many of the known fighters of the time. And, given the physical disadvantages he was facing, it really comes as no surprise to me that he had to work hard to earn his victory over Campolo.

 

Hahaha did he really say that?
The perfect response to a Louis KD.

 

Quick side note:
I wouldn't read too much into that.
The commissions in the 30's seemed clueless.

They almost didn't sanction Baer vs Carnera either, because the commissioner wasn't impressed with Baers sparring in training camp.

 

The facts seem to be that Risko could not convincingly beat Campolo in two fights. My opinion is both Risko and Campolo were both very tough hombres. How can you have issue with that? 196lb against 225lb and a 5" height difference is not that big a deal either.

 

When was the last time you boxed someone, over a 10-round distance, who was 2-stone heavier than you; was 7-inches (Not 5") taller than you and had an 8-inch advantage in wingspan over you?

You started out by stating:

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He did. And, it's clear to me that one of the judges and the referee thought so as well. Campolo making things awkward and fouling, does not mean he was on Risko's level at all. Compare their respective records and what do you see?

Fact is: Campolo, who had all of the significant physical advantages, didn't beat Risko in two attempts. There's really little else to say about it.

 

Yes Donovan said ,"Jesus, he must really be out of it if he thinks I'm some girl."

 

You're reaching by trying to draw any sort of legitimate comparison comparing Ali and Carnera's ring accomplishments. Ali was one of the most physically gifted fighters of all time. Primo was big. Ali had exceptional skills that made up for his lack of KO power while Carnera had none on an all time great or near great scale. No one claims Ali's record was filled with padded victories while most historians only argue over how many of Carnera's were. It goes on and on .. Almost everyone rates Ali as an all time top three or four heavyweight while no legitimate historian of any sort has ever rated Carnera as a respected puncher despite 71 KO victories (many in early rounds / so much for the wear them down theory) or a top thirty all time heavyweight boxer.

I don't even understand your agenda. Where do you rate Carnera as an all time heavyweight ?

 

29.25pounds in one fight and 31pounds in the other , 7.5 inches height and 8 inches in reach isn't a big deal?

 

A while back I think you produced a long list of super heavyweight sized giants from before WW2 era who were all knocked out or lost to guys 30lb lighter and seven inches shorter as proof of how these old giants were all rubbish and that it was not a disadvantage to meet one.

Yet because you have decided Risko was championship caliber, Here you are pointing out what a disadvantage it is giving away that much size During the same era. It's laughable.

Seems a bit of a double standard here?

 

No the thing is, Ali is not rated as a puncher. Neither is Carnera. There is no reason to rate either of them as a puncher in spite of there knockout ratios. And that's all there is to it.


You are trying to say Primo is not rated as an all time puncher because he had a padded record? He can have a padded record and still not be a big puncher. It is what happens at world level that counts. A fighter is either world level or he isn't. If he isn't he gets found out before World level.


All champions should be rated on their time within the big leagues. There are no suspicious results in that level for Carnera.

 

Once again you are putting words into my mouth that I never spoke, crediting me with posts I did not make.Its not only silly it's willfully dishonest.
I don't think Risko was championship standard and never said he was, he was far too inconsistent.
What he was is a boxer with a better quality win record than Carnera and there is no argument about that.
For the record. I don't think Carnera was championship calibre either.
The double standard is you saying, conceding 31lbs ,7.5inches in height,and 8 inches in reach is
"not that big a deal" That's the laughable part!

I don't care about your opinions ,they long ago ceased to have any relevance as far as I'm concerned.

 

Which fighters at world level did Carnera ko who did not have question marks about their performances?

 

If Donald Trump could get elected to the New Jersey Boxing Hall of fame, so should
Carnera. I'm sure Primo ate a pizza or two in Jersey City during his boxing career.

 

Jack Sharkey was knocked out and he fought that fight like he wanted to win it, he rocked Primo in the same round he was knocked out in. An impartial viewer would see it as an entertaining fight. I don't know if there are "phantom punch" articles out there, and if there is, there shouldn't be. The film stands up. Sharkey was trying to win.

Perhaps Sharkey himself caused doubts by bringing up excuses about seeing the ghost of Schaaf in the ring to explain how he might lose to a guy he had already beat, but in saying so he at least admitted Carnera had improved a lot too. The film shows Carnera had improved and also shows Sharkey went down fighting, he had nothing to be ashamed of.

In so far as champions scoring suspect knockouts at world level, What we could say About Ali? He knocked out Liston and from some quarters there are question marks about Listons effort. Personally I don't think Ali nor any champion needs an excuse. They won, they were proven to be the best, they deserve to win regardless.

This obsession with looking for ways to discredit Carnera, they don't add up anymore.