Why isn't Carnera in the IBHOF?

Risko never demonstrated superiority over Campolo in two fights.

 

Yes that is true. Something else that is true is the difficult matter that Risko never could convincingly get the better of Victorio Campolo.

Ah, Campolo. From down Argentina way...they don't make em like him anymore! 225lb, 6'6", Your favourite spaghetti eating, milk bottle shouldered, stick insect weakling (of Gerry cooneys exact proportions), the guy who beat Arturo Godoy but according to you is nothing but a weak beanpole just because Primo knocked him out...

Yes. Mr Risko never could cope with your thin armed freind vic Campolo..

 

choklab on the sherry again...

 

Its very simple. No one questions the legitimacy of Ali's victories or the quality of his opposition. Are you saying Primo's skills were on par w Ali's ?

 

Are you questioning his power for not being on the top 30 list?
Or are you questioning him not being on the top 30 list for not having power?
Circular.

 

I'd say Ali hit as hard, if not harder than Carnera how about that?

 

I personally think Ali hit hard, especially for his style, and was a great puncher. Top 15 HW punchers of all time for me.

He had a mule kick punch, but seldom sat on his blows. And wasn't a "go for the kill" finisher.

He'd never lift Sharkey up like that with an uppercut...

 

Q. Did Campolo ever beat Risko? A. NO!
Do you think Campolo is as big in the torso as Cooney ? Because he patently isn't.
Campolo was ranked for one fight with Risko he was unranked for both his fights with Carnera.At that stage of his career Godoy had fought no one.After drawing and winning a split decision over Campolo Risko won 9 of 10 rounds to take an easy win over Uzcudun.
Five months later Uzcudun lost a split decision to Carnera.
Campolo was kod by Schaaf
Lost to Loughran
Lost to Scott
All 3 beaten by Risko.

 

I don't think Ali was a great puncher ,certainly not top 30.
You know what I think of the Sharkey "ko"

 

In a New York Times article after Carnera won the title, I believe it was the author who said "Every once in a while, all the muscles come in harmony, and Primo will land a perfect blow." Or something to that effect to help justify why he ambling alp won the title via vicious uppercut KO.

I personally believe that punches landed by SHWs are generally harder to see. The power is more subtle to read. Think of all the Klitschko punches that didn't look like much till you saw the super slow mo replay filmed by the Phantom cameras with crazy frame rates. And that the Sharkey KO was a rare instance where Primo caught him with an aesthetically pleasing KO punch that would be hard not to admire.

 

That is your prerogative.
ps Joe Louis was to fight Johnny Risko on Dec 14th 1936 but Risko fractured ribs in training and Eddie Sims got the short straw instead, this was the fight when after being floored by a left hook in the opening round, Simms got up and said to referee Donovan,"lets go someplace,lets get out of here and go up on the roof or someplace".

 

Well that explains a lot.

 

No Primo does not need to be as skilled as Ali to hit as lightly as Ali! What are you talking about?

You have painted yourself into a corner with this business of claiming how odd it is that high KO percentage Primo is not being rated as a puncher even though NOBODY thinks it odd that high KO percentage Ali is not rated as a puncher either.

Ali had a lot of people quit on him, skill was his asset. Ali stopped them through wearing them down with his speed. He still stopped most of his opponents.

Primos size was his asset. He wore guys down with his size and long armed boxing. He ground them down, stopped them or made them quit too. A different route to Ali but same result.

You don't have to be a banger to have the highest number of inside wins.

KO percentile has been blown out of the water.

 

You didn't "come back" with anything I hadn't seen already.

The fact is that Campolo manages to get up immediately after the count, without help and walks back towards his corner, unassisted. You have the gall to accuse a ringside report of being inaccurate, when you make a sheer assumption and assert it as fact, diagnosing Campolo as concussed - using very poor quality film to draw your conclusion.

I actually do some reading to investigate the details of a bout, where possible. I don't go waving it about because I found a choice quote on boxrec that fits the puerile dog-with-a-bone act you've just displayed.

There is a report on the Risko/Campolo rematch, which I am not going to fully transcribe, as it is quite large and I simply do not have the time. I have reproduced the relevant quotes below.


Arizona Daily Star (Tucson, Arizona)
25 Mar 1930, Tue
Page 6, Column 8

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The above confirms the claims of the margin being seen as Campolo's. However, as you are no doubt aware, in cases when the two judges were split and the Referee would decide the verdict, fouling would come into consideration. The article goes on later to describe the following...

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Looking at the "Round by Round", the Referee goes to Campolo's corner at the end of round-7 to administer the final warning.

In short, the decision 'probably' went against Campolo because of these illegal tactics, as it is well known to count against a fighter when the two judges were split and Ref gives his casting vote.

 

Right.

There is nothing wrong in saying that. Well done.

So now that you agree Ali hit "as hard, if not harder than carnera", you won't believe, as I don't, that Ali nor Carnera need to be great bangers to record the stoppage wins they did?

If Ali knocks out Liston, Bonavena and Foreman why can't Carnera knockout Sharkey?