Why isn't John L Sullivan ranked above Ali?

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  1. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxing fan Full Member

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    Being fat can make you strong and Ruiz was still fit and well conditioned. Louis however would be a light heavyweight now a days and even as a light heavyweight he still looks weaker and smaller than guys like Bivol.
     
  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now I'm convinced you are just a troll.
     
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  3. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxing fan Full Member

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    Brooooooooooo. Ok I’m not gonna have this conversation anymore cause you guys aren’t listen to my points. Louis isn’t as athletic or strong as modern fighters which is why I think he wouldn’t be as good now a days. How is that trolling? Louis is a great fighter no doubt but head to head in think he’s too old fashioned.
     
  4. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's less athletic than Ruiz? Seriously? You're embarassing yourself here.
     
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  5. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxing fan Full Member

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    I didn’t say Ruiz I said Bivol. Joshua had an off night with Ruiz as he proved in the rematch. All I said was Ruiz was very fit and could go the full 12 rounds. Anyway as I said I’m getting fed up with this conversation. Have a good day.
     
  6. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Louis is way too big to fight at LHW, even with modern draining methods. Louis is way more athletic than 95% of the active boxers at world level around his size or bigger. He was elite athlete and on top of that, he was more skilled than bums Joshua faced in his career.
     
  7. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 I’m become seeker of milk Full Member

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    When will you reach your final form and join the forum as a real poster? Whoever’s alt you are.
     
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  8. META5

    META5 Active Member Full Member

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    Any man over 180 ish lbs can knock out any other man with the right punching technique, natural power, speed and surprise factor.

    Joe Louis is an elite puncher in terms of punch mechanics. His actual boxing skill gets downplayed. He threw a strong, quick jab - yes could paw with it at times but like Lennox, used his jab in multiple ways.

    There's things that Louis did with his punching, his off centre head placement, his jab, parry of the return jab and then follow up jab, the explosion of his right cross and straight right, old school moves like guard manipulation with intentionally thrown jabs or hooks to clear a path for his knockout right hand - many fighters today wouldn't have the skillset to deal with.

    I also think it's a mistake to compare Louis with this supposed better modern fighter as if you take a man with his skillset and throw him in the modern era, with the benefits of sports science, greater access to nutrition, functional training and monitoring, he would arguably be more devastating, not less.
     
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  9. Austinboxing

    Austinboxing British Boxing fan Full Member

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    Bro look at my posting history. I’m not an alt! I’ve been here longer than you.
     
  10. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King Full Member

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    Goofy question. Ali wouldn't become a gluttonous alcoholic focusing primarily on power in his training and Sullivan wouldn't be focused on speed skipping rope and running. They have completely different fighting styles and diets.
     
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  11. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In a street fight, I have Sullivan ranked waaaaayyy ahead of Ali.
     
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  12. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic For the honorable cross and the golden freedom Full Member

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    Because the score is not the only measure of success, and the legacy of a boxer.
    If score were the main and only consideration, then Andre Ward, Rocky Marciano, Joe Calzaghe (and other undefeated professional boxers) would be above Sugar Ray Robinson, which is not the case.
     
  13. Fourth_Horseman

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  14. BoB Box

    BoB Box Rollin with the punches Full Member

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    It is a goofy question. Im guessing you didn't see my follow-up reply saying nevermind its a ridiculous question , dont answer that. Lol
     
  15. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    If we're rating purely on historical and social significance, Sullivan can indeed rival Ali. He defined what it means to be heavyweight champion; heck, he forced the permanent use of gloves through. We're all living in the House That John Built.