Why Jack Dempsey should be hightly rated

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  1. Mendoza

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    Well said. Miske was a top fighter in his time. Meehan was one of those rare journeymen capable of going the distance with just about anyone, and occasionally upsetting ranked fighters.
     
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  2. Mendoza

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    I agree with this. Two things to focus on here.

    1 ) Meehan wasn't that bad. Meehan has wins over Jeff Clark, Sam Langford, Jack Demspey, and Jack Dillion! Three of these fighters are in the hall of fame, and one day, I predict Clark will get the nod as well. As I said before, Meehan went 100+ matches with one lone stoppage.

    2 ) This was a 4 round match with no titles on the line in an era were draws were more frequent than they were today.
     
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  3. Sonny's jab

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    I think so too.
     
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  4. prime

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    Ditto.
     
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  5. OLD FOGEY

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    No. They are from the next day. I meant that I read them three years ago or so and do not have notes. I am just pointing out that I am relying on my aging memory, never the best thing to do, but I have no choice in this case.
     
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  6. OLD FOGEY

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    Miske was certainly one of the top men of the time, but he did lose to men like Gibbons, Greb, and Norfolk around the time he fought his fights with Dempsey. His draw with Dempsey is sandwiched between two defeats by Kid Norfolk. The point is that someone like Miske was an
    outstanding fighter of his time but not necessarily better or perhaps even as good as the outstanding contenders of other eras, such as, for example, Bob Pastor or Eddie Machen.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    Intersting information.
     
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  8. SuzieQ49

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    I dont think dempsey is top 5 HW of all time. not without a win over wills. Wills arguebably can be ranked higher than jack dempsey.


    As much as people love to praise dempsey's astonishing looking definive skills on film, he sure has hell struggled, got stunned and hurt alot against crude fat southern panhandle grease looking fighters.
     
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  9. joe33

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    How can you rate willis above dempsey?,What makes him rank above JD then?
     
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  10. SuzieQ49

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    well since you ask..........


    Wills beat much better competition than jack dempsey

    Wills cleaned out the heavyweight division more than jack did(beating the best black heavyweights as well as top white heavyweights fulton,firpo).

    Wills on his prime isnt on film, but on paper him and jack are just about an even fight, and the fact wills had a 6'4 220lb body with an 80" reach skills and a punch, he could very well upset dempsey.



    Still, i rank dempsey over wills, but not by much.
     
    SuzieQ49, Dec 7, 2007
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  11. JohnThomas1

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    Insightful post. I know it's hard to judge, but do you think Wills would have beaten Dempsey Suze? Obviously he has a great chance.
     
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  12. Woddy

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    This question has already been answered for the most part, but I'll throw in my two cents. Wills proceeded to beat top opposition over the three year period where Dempsey sat idle on the belt. Thats where the big difference comes in. Wills arguably beat better fighters over the long haul.
     
    Woddy, Dec 7, 2007
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  13. dmt

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    Wills also beat better fighters then Jack Johnson

    so did most other atg's
     
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