why joe frazier beats lennox lewis

And Sam Peter's style is comparable to Frazier's in what way? I'm genuinely curious to know.Two fights in four years aren't going to shake away the amount of rust gained in three and a half years.

I really couldn't explain this better than how Cus D'amato did.I'm not going to quote him word-for-word as not to sound like your typical wannabe.The footage is out there to find.

Really? So you fail to see the difference between the Ali that went fifteen against Chvalo and Terell,who sustained a decent pace throughout,who threw quite a significant amount of punches,and the version that was blowing chunks by the middle rounds? Yeah,ok.

How about the evidence that shows him coasting 15 rounds against Mac Foster with relative ease without gassing out? Nothing spectacular about his performance,but there was no issues concerning his stamina in that fight.

I never made any mention about him looking like absolute **** because he happend to have his feet planted and incorporated virtually no movement whatsoever.I said he looked bad because of a clear lack of conditioning on his part.It's there,right on film - look at it! Besides throwing some of the heaviest punches that he had ever thrown,there was absolutely no fluidity in his offense.And his lack of endurance was exposed against a fighter that wasn't there to expose it.Bonavena may have been aggressive,but his pressure was lackadaisical and his workrate was poor.

Likewise.I mean,it isn't often that you see someone attempt to argue that a fighter is better(or atleast comparable) prepared after two fights in four years than a fighter with ten fights in two years.And you're pretty much the only person that I've ever conversed with who think Ali put in an impressive outing against Bonavena.


But,you know,maybe you're right.Perhaps ring rust is merely a myth and perhaps one real fight in four years is more than enough to shake off any rust that had been picked up along the way.

 

Can't Joe just have his victory of the FOTC? Does Ali always have to be the greatest, the prettiest, the fastest, the most influential, the most politically correct, the most spiritual, the smartest, have the biggest dick, the most everything!!?? He got his ass severely kicked that night. If he wasn't ready, then he shouldn't have taken the fight. IF a fighter signs for a fight we should just conclude that he has decided he is ready -and no one would no better than him and the people close to him in his camp. If Ali wasn't ready and had 40 years of excuses already built in as to why he might lose, then what's the point of fighting him? You can never win. Let Joe have his victory, for Christ's sake. It is pretty rare in any super fight that both participants are at their ABSOLUTE peak, exactly equal and at the same point in their careers. THey fight when they fight. I'm so sick of hearing of what the Ali of 67 would have done to everyone. Probably a lot of what he'd do, would be to run his ass off and tie people up when they got too close.

 

So there's no difference between the 29 year old Ali and the 32 year old one? Why do you think he wasnt on the ropes so much in Frazier 2 & 3?

 

Perhaps you should stop and ponder what the Ali of 68 /69/70 might have done, because THAT would have been his prime.

 

How about the results, Mr Combative?

 

A mismatch. Frazier is taken out of the ring in a round or two. Doesn't have the chin, the size, the strength or the power to give prime Lewis any troubles.

 

Boring fight, where neither fighter is showing much skills or cleverness, only toughness and determination. There were hundreds of fights like that in boxing history, if we ignore the hype and the names of the participants.

 

WHAT????:admin:admin:admin
Boring? Not much skills?

I suggest you watch it again.


As for the on-going debate between a few of the lads here, i can see McGrains point but im not so sure the result would have been the same had Ali had,for example, another 3 or 4 fights. Im not searching for excuses for his loss as it was a great fight and the better man won on the night, but im just throwing it in there. Theres a big difference between fit and fighting fit.

just my two cents

 

Watch what? Boring (like most of Ali's fights are, especially post-exile version) slugfest, where one rounds looks like any other, and both are taking awful punishment because they have no idea how to defend themselves properly? I'd rather watch Corrales-Castillo again, which is 100% better than this supposed FotC.

 

Each to their own. There are many fights out there that are extremely entertaining and, for some, it their own favourite fight and they feel its the best of all time. And they could well be right, its all opinions. But to call FOTC a 'boring slugfest/no idea how to defend themselves properly' is , frankly, nonsense. As for your 'id rather watch corrales-castillo' comment, fair enough, great fight, but how is it any different to your discription of Ali and Frazier in your preceding sentence?