Why Johnson didn't fought black fighters while beinh KW champion?

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  1. mcvey

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    "When the liner docked and Johnson came down the gangplank ,he was received with applause,by the crowd ,he shook hands with many friends,he said he was" "ready to fight the winner of the Langford v Mcvey bout or any other pugilist for $30,000"

    NYTimes March 4th 1909
     
  2. mcvey

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    Evidenced by the fact that Johnson got a flat garauntee of $31,000 for defending against Jim Flynn ,an easy defence.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Please stop the BS McVey. We have been over this before.

    Here's a source for $50,0000 for Johnson to fight Mcvey or Langfrod:

    [url]http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9800E3DB1F3CE633A25750C1A9669D946396D6CF&scp=1&sq=Jack+johnson+%2450%2C000+&st=p[/url]


    and to fight Jeanette:

    [url]http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D07E5DB113AE633A25756C1A96E9C946396D6CF&scp=11&sq=Jack+johnson+%2450%2C000&st=p[/url]

    And another $50,000 offer for Johnson to meet Langford:

    [url]http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9D03EEDD1438E033A25750C0A9649D946897D6CF[/url]

    There's more out there like this. Fact is Johnson skirted the best out there when the money was offered. Just accepts the facts.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    Not So, Gunboat Smith beat guys Jack Johnson gave title shots to... Ross, Moran, Fylnn, and Willard long before Johnson meet Willard. In fact Gunboat Smith did better vs the same opponents, and in fact TKO'd Jack Johsnon in a 4 round non title match.

    If there was any justice, Gunboat Smith fights Jack Johnson in 1912 or 1913. A money offer was never made to Gunboat Smith. Smith wasn't a white hope, the guy could fight. Indeed, he also beat Langford.
     
  5. mcvey

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    EVERY WORD I POSTED IN THAT PEICE IS CORRECT AND VERIFIABLE.
    You are no longer rational on this topic.Why dont you start your own. I HATE JACK JOHNSON FORUM? sad:-(
     
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  11. mcvey

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    Gunboat Smith did not tko Johnson and you know it. I can tolerate a bit of bias, but you are a joke .
     
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  13. flamengo

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    A point of interest.... in the day, mammoth crowds had frequented the greatest of prize fights. Stadiums being raised purely for fistic events..... we all know the monetory sums involved... Johnson had a following, via all wishing to see 'the white redeemer' take his mantle.

    Question?????...... How many fans would actually turn up to witness Johnson, a seemingly hated man of the 'white race', take on another 'coloured man'???

    What money would the promoters put up for this bout???

    Would a promotion, Johnson vs 'negro' in the USA, have eventuated???

    Would any promoter have been left intact, even assuming this would be possible???


    Clearly, the efforts to dethrone Johnson, in the USA... Kaufmann..Ketchel..Jefferies.. were pretty feeble, yet, drew great attention... purely for the 'hope' of seeing Johnson fall.
     
  14. janitor

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    It is also worth noting that Sam Langford might have deserved the nod over Gunboat Smith when they fought.

    [url]http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9501E6D71E3BE633A2575BC1A9679D946296D6CF[/url]
     
  15. mcvey

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