Why Joshua doesn't have that much of a chance against Klitschko

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  1. FuMaster

    FuMaster Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wlad is 40 and has been declining for a while now. Losing to Tyson Fury was the sign. Nothing against Fury, but I don't think he beats a prime Wlad. I think AJ is a slight favorite.
     
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  2. drenlou

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    Yep.. Joshua is catching Wlad at the right time. Joshua isn't an oaf like Fury, he's a strong explosive puncher with a very good skill set. This fight is the passing of the torch to Joshua imo.
     
  3. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No it's not 100% but the media says it's close to being finalized.

    Fury was quicker than Wlad but I don't rank him as an ATG in heavyweight quickness. He fought an effectively elusive fight. Neither of them looked good.
     
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  4. marting

    marting Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think that's a credible account of the two fights. I actually thought going into the Jennings fight that Wlad was already showing some signs of slowing.

    Joshua, for me, still has a lot to prove. I'm not sold on him totally but Wlad has to improve significantly over his last performance. That was a dreadful performance against Fury. He looked clueless and unmotivated.
     
  5. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think even a 75% Wlad is a huge obstacle for a prime AJ.
     
  6. channy

    channy 4.7.33 banned Full Member

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    I rate both, what is your problem?

    I am discussing a boxing match, And i am not being biased.

    I think both are good fighter's, and i am expressing a opinion, mine..

    But if you do not like it, that is your problem, not mine.

    Credit is a big worth my friend, you should look in to it, And understand it, instead of posting abnormal undeserving and silly comments, demanding it...
     
  7. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    AJ brutal KO round 4-5 or Wlad by UD/TKO
     
  8. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I agree with some of what you have said but disagree with parts of it as well. Wlad has never been a fighter to under prepare, he's always been in top shape, always been ultra professional, I doubt we'll see a significantly better Wlad that the one who lost to Fury and struggled with Jennings.

    I do agree Joshua isn't Fury he fights very differently and that will definitely suit Wladimir, we can forget a repeat of his last fight happening. But I disagree with your comparisons to Haye, Povetkin and Peter, Joshua fights nothing like any of these fighters. Haye's always been a counter puncher, Povetkin is a come forward fighter who fights well at mid range while Joshua is most effective at range and Peter is far cruder than Joshua and not to mention all these guys were far smaller than Joshua.

    Joshua is a threat and he does bring attributes Wlad hasn't had to face before. He's never fought a guy this big who was athletic as Joshua and who bought the combination of size, speed and power. The big men Wlad has fought pale in to comparison to Joshua in terms of athleticism and that includes Fury.

    But as you said Wlad won't have the same issues with Joshua that he had with Fury. Style wise despite the size of Joshua this is a much better fight for Wlad. Wlad won't have to be aggressive in this fight though, he won't have to look and chase like he did with Fury, he'll be more able to fight his normal kind of fight, jab, move, smother, control the pace of the fight, slowly break down his opponent until they are ready to be taken.

    But I disagree about Wlad's jab. That great jab he once had has been missing in his recent fights, even in the Pulev fight he was being out jabbed. He always pawed with it, but he does it too much now, even when he does throw it with intent and full extension it's no longer the hard sharp jab or old, he pushes it out, not sure what happened to his old jab but it's gone. It wouldn't surprise me if Joshua won the battle of jabs or at least matches Wlad's jab.

    As for what happened in their sparring sessions it's clear Wlad was getting the upper had back then. But it was more than 2 years ago when Joshua had only had a handful of fights and Wlad was closer to his prime. Wlad's gotten worse since then and Joshua has improved, Joshua wouldn't be taking this fight unless he thinks he has a chance. I think those sparring sessions now have little correlation to what will happen when they do fight as both are different fighters now.

    But I agree, Wlad has more than enough power to KO Joshua with either hand and even if he is losing, one punch and he can turn it around. But Wlad is not a counter puncher, he's at his most effective when he leads and really only lets his hands go after he has broken down his opponent. So if Wlad is losing the fight I don't expect Wlad to come from behind as he will be in full survival mode rather than looking for a counter to turn the fight.

    The fighter that some, who are picking Wlad to win, simply doesn't exist, he's isn't a guy that goes looking for the KO, he's too calculating and cautious for such an approach. If Wlad does KO Joshua it won't be a situation where he is going in for the kill like he's on some seek and destroy mission or coming back from behind with a well placed counter, it will be after controlling the pace of the fight with a careful approach and his usual jab and grab style and after gradually breaking Joshua down.
     
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  9. Savagekat

    Savagekat TEAM USYK. I AM VERY FEEL! Full Member

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    This is a great post. I think Wlad will be in the most danger early, what with AJ's speed, athleticism, and youth advantage. Wlad's got the defense, experience, and power to take AJ into deep waters and drown him though. I agree that this fight will look nothing like the Fury fight. AJ will come at him and look to land the power shots like he usually does. It will be exciting while it lasts and interesting to see what Wlad truly has left.
     
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  10. radupidu

    radupidu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm with AJ on this one. Its time to pass the torch Wlad, and AJ is the perfect candidate. Youth, power, fan friendly style, looks, knows how to speak without cursing every 2 mins and seems a cool guy.
    He, along with a few others can bring boxing back.
     
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  11. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    cant disagree with this about Wlad,if anything he'll feel more relaxed against AJ,clearly Hearn knows what AJ is capable of but he also said Wlads experience worries him.

    Problem is on here now more than ever instead of pure boxing fans there's too many fans of Boxers who can't seem to picture styles making fights and that fans of either camp can only ever see their guy "smashing him to bits".
    Wlad had one off day and was dumbfounded by a proven head case with boxing ability,I'm A big AJ fan but he comes forward and back in straight lines somethings Wlad will have seen a million times,yes he has some power but lest people not forget so does Wlad and he's gonna be on a mission to show it or else why carry on at all?
     
  12. Heavyrighthand

    Heavyrighthand Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wlad destroys him.

    It's obvious.
     
  13. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Joshua needs to get wlad out of there early within the first 4 rounds of not then the fight will become a boxing match and that favors wlad.
     
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  14. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    I also feel if AJ allows Wlad to get comfortable and establish some sort of rhythm he's doomed. Either he does a Blitzkrieg strategy like Sanders or I feel AJ will get bombed out between round 7-10.

    Another thing to remember is Pulev sort of tried being aggressive and direct with Wlad from the opening bell and he got brutally countered. Pulev is not a novice but Wlad made him look like one.
     
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  15. daverobin

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