Why Joshua losing makes the Fury fight less likely

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  1. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Contrary to the theory that Fury is more likely to fight a beaten Joshua due to him being perceived as more vulnerable, Joshua losing has reduced and further reduces the chances of the Fury fight ever happening for a variety of reasons:

    Practicality

    - Joshua may get to retire early if Wilder KO's him

    - Joshua losing pushes the fight date into the future (due to Joshua perpetually having rematches 6-11 months after and a tune up 8-12 months after the rematch) and Fury is older with more physical wear

    - Given that Usyk has the other belts and is generally regarded as the No.2 heavyweight (universally above his victim Joshua), Fury is likely to pursue a fight/fights with Usyk before he even thinks about fighting Joshua, which pushes that potential fight even further into the future

    - At some point in the future Fury will retire for good (and before that may scale down his level of competition significantly, effectively retiring)

    Status

    - Fury would get minimal credit for beating a four or five times beaten Joshua, may actually lose status if he had any trouble with a “washed”, “overhyped” Joshua and he’d be further devaluing the Joshua wins of his (potential or actual) victims (Ruiz, Usyk, Wilder)

    - Fury is under far less “obligation” to fight a four or five times beaten Joshua, who no one really believes would beat Fury (like former Fury rivals Price and Haye) and who most will believe avoided Fury if Fury goes on to beat Usyk

    - The cost of losing to a four or five times beaten Joshua (who has less to lose and is easier to underestimate) is much higher

    - As undefeated Fury wins more legacy fights (Wlad in 2015, Wilder trilogy from 2018-2021, possibly Usyk in 2023 and 2024), the potential cost to his legacy in losing increases in relative terms

    Money

    - The financial reward for beating a Joshua with four or five losses is much lower, especially as Fury’s net worth will be significantly higher after his next two or three fights

    - Risk aside, a Joshua fight may be higher wear than Whyte, Chisora and Ruiz combined (the latter three all being £20-30 million paydays apiece and amounting to three title defences) and wear can compromise a fighter's ability to make and win fights in the future

    - Fury may enjoy the idea of turning down £200 million from the Saudis ("I can't be bought")

    Sadism

    - Fury would like to deny Hearn and Joshua the opportunity and the big payday, so that Hearn will always regret not offering 50-50 terms sooner, not signing him and backing “Lossua” over him

    - Fury beating Joshua would allow him to retire sooner, whereas not fighting him prolongs his career and thus his suffering
     
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  2. Scissors

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    There was me thinking that this fight was likely to happen.
     
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  3. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When you reach the point where you have only fought once per year for the last 3 years.

    Then instead of taking an easy rematch for big money right there on the table that you promised to take, need a “tune-up” fight.

    You are at the point that not only do you no longer believe in yourself but are just going through the motions.

    So long as brain dead promoters can justify paying him multi millions for moving around the ring. Then he will still “fight”.

    Seeing as he still hasn’t managed to fight either Fury or Wilder so far and when he had a number of straps going for him, he doesn’t ever fight them now.
     
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  4. MAD_PIGE0N

    MAD_PIGE0N ... banned Full Member

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    There're some dependencies about such fight:
    • If it happens, it'll be after Wilder-Joshua: if AJ loses to Wilder, on one hand, it'll make sense for Fury not be interested - it's not 100% reasonable, but it's not that much unreasonable either
    • Even if Fury is ok to face AJ no matter the outcome of Wilder-Joshua, it depends on what will be in AJ's head if he loses that fight
    • If Fury loses to Usyk, we'll be seeing a rematch probably, so even if Fury is interested in a fight with AJ, regardless if he lost or won against Wilder, the fight will be delayed
    • If Fury wins against Usyk, he may decide to retire
    • Overall, we don't know Fury and AJ will do, depending of what happens in their upcoming fights
    Regardless of how the above turn, I think Fury-AJ will be a good payday for both of them.​
     
  5. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Fury just fought Chisora

    He isn't bothered about charging fans to watch him fight someone with a few losses on their record now is he
     
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  6. GDM74

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    That was all too long to read but from reading the title, fury won’t care, unless you forgot he just thought someone who lost 13 times!!!
     
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  7. Murderers' Row

    Murderers' Row Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joshua - Wilder
    Fury - Usyk

    Never going to happen.
     
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  8. nurological

    nurological Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'd say the more shopworn Joshua gets, the more likely the fight happens
     
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  9. Manning

    Manning Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I always find it odd why Fury fanatics constantly come out with long winded jibberish as to why their boy shouldn't fight the best in the sport. Now, I understand why Fury himself wants to make as much money as possible for as little risk but what do these clowns get out of it?
     
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  10. Quickeyg

    Quickeyg Really really really don't care. Full Member

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    Joshua is a straight up manufactured hype job protected Buckingham palace red carpet walking bum.

    aj is getting more embarrassing and desperate by posting pics with kids and gangs.

    I do enjoy watching him having meltdowns and crying and fighting after the bell - the guy is a 3 time loser and fake.
     
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  11. Murderers' Row

    Murderers' Row Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's also a very very rich man. He's succeeding in life.
     
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  12. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Irrelevant. Either read it or don't comment.
     
  13. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If money (at any cost) = success then sure. But I don't think it stands up to scrutiny.
     
  14. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I want Fury to fight the other best fighter in the division: Usyk. Not an Andy Ruiz, Usyk x2 and soon to be Wilder victim.
     
  15. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's the conventional belief that I'm arguing against. I think it would have been inevitable if Joshua hadn't lost, or had only lost once, or even twice. But the more Joshua loses, the less sense it makes for all of the reasons I provide in the post.