Why Lennox Lewis is no all-time great

Of course you need to find fights where a 41 year old Holyfield and a 38 year old Tyson were WAY past their best to find such stoppage losses. And, in the case of an ANCIENT Holyfield, a loss to a fellow ATG at that. And even then, it took nine rounds to stop him, not a couple!

Lewis, on the other hand was taken out early by mediocre contenders in the heart of his career, when he held the title. Quite a bit more significant than these two meaningless late career losses.

 

Not really no....the McCall one was 'early' but the Rahman loss was in the mid-rounds, and Lewis was ageing at that point.

Was Rahman as a HW as 'mediocre' as Toney was, I'd say no chance personally - and McCall most definately wasn't mediocre, he was a very, very dangerous opponent, probably the most iron chinned fighter in HW history in fact.

Why do you bash on Lewis for losing to those 2 guys yet give Holyfield a pass for losing to notorious Lewis ducker Bowe, and LHW Moorer when in his prime? It's a bit puzzling to say the least :huh

 

I know enough about boxing to place James "Buster" Douglas in my top 10 after his flawless performance against a prime Mike Tyson.

Buster douglas is only 2nd to Ali because Ali had more fights.

Only reason.

 

Of course Lewis is great, its a pity unfunny troll threads like this get started, the ban stick should be wielded with more zeal

 

#2 strolls in to shut the lewis love down.....

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Riddick Bowe and Michael Moorer are far better fighters than McCall and Rahman, who you predictably overate. Bowe was an Olympic medal winner and undisputed champion, and regarded along with Holyfield, Lewis and Tyson as the top fighters of the era. Moorer was just a level below that. Incidentally, Holyfield "lost" a very arguable decision to Moorer, rather than getting sparked out like Lewis did.:yep

 

Moorer wasnt better than Rahman, Rahman would have knocked him out.
Bowe had already been cleaned up by Lewis as an amateur and didnt want anything to do with him as a pro.

 

Rahman is ONLY memorable for knocking out the guy this thread thinks is so great.

Moorer is better than rahman.

 

i'm not making excuses for lewis..bowe was petrified of him..everyone who was watching boxing back then knew this, so saying there was another reason for the fight not happening is just rubbish.and i hope you don't need me to educate you on the tyson situation either..he was scared also, and you know it.

if you hate nationalism, then i take that back..but come on, surely you know, just like everyone else does, that the reason tyson(in his prime anyway) and bowe never got in the ring with him was because they were scared of him....surely you know this?

holyfield old and ready to be taken? lewis was only three years younger..holyfield wasn't there for the taking either.

if you want to say holyfield and tyson were better..go ahead, but most people would dissagree with you.

and lewis getting knocked out by rahman was simply down to him not preparing properly and turning up in africa a week before the fight..he never got used to the altitude and thats why he lost.

there are no excuses for the mccall fight..he lost fair and squire.

 

you don't have to wait for holyfield to be 41 to find a fight were he got knocked out...he got knocked out by bowe in the 3rd fight many years earlier.

 

Lewis TKO2 Bowe.

Lewis wins by horrible duckage against Moorer, who lost to a middle aged Foreman

And I "predictably over-rate" those guys? Yeah right.

I make no excuses for Lewis's losses, all I do is say that he avenged them both as fast as he possibly could, and he did it in devastating style. Now let's talk about Holy's loss to Bowe shall we? Oops, best not eh?

You say that Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson and Lewis were the best fighters of that era....welll ****, Lewis beat Holy twice and Tyson once and Bowe ducked him. Show me another one of those fighters that had a better record against the others than Lewis did and then maybe I'll listen to your bull****.

 

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I love foreman, but give me a break.

 

Again, you make excuses for the Rahman fight and ignore that Holyfield was much more past his prime when they fought, while Lewis was probably pretty close to his. If Lewis fought Holyfield when he was at his best, say in 1992 or 93, he loses. Hell, he almost lost in '99! Quite a few ringside journalists gave him the nod in that second fight!

As far as Bowe, you throw around the Lewis camp propaganda of the period like it's fact, but the real reason the fight didn't happen was because Lewis wasn't enough of a draw to justify it at that time. Bowe could make more money fighting Ray Mercer (who he was scheduled to fight until Fergusson upset him) and then rematching Holyfield than fighting Lewis. Bowe's manager wanted to give the fight time to build into an attraction. What he didn't bank on was Bowe losing the rematch to Holyfield.