Why Lomachenko was robbed..

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Quina74, Oct 18, 2020.


  1. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    in a post-fight interview he said that lopez won more rounds in the first half of the fight (check BBC.com).
    he said he thought he won the fight, but he didn't throw his toys out of the pram.

    when your emotions are charged and everyone tells you how good you are, but you lose...for the second time...it's crushing.
     
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  2. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    if you didn't think he was robbed on your first viewing that's presents a serious flaw in your argument.
     
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  3. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This slow motion nonsense has to stop.

    Fights are refereed and scored in REAL time.

    This might've worked back in the early 20th century when fighters would find out if they won their matches the next day- those were called newspaper decisions and were highly controversial in their own right.

    Fact of the mater is Lomachenko wasn't active during the first 6-7 rounds. I believe he only had around 40 shots landed in the fight by round 7. That's just shocking to think given Loma's handspeed and combination punching ability.

    I re-watched the fight and came to the conclusion he lost it 7-5. That 12th round was the deciding round IMO and had Loma won it he could've eked out a draw (well at least in the court of public opinion since the scorecards were extremely wide.)

    I will say the rounds Loma did win in the back 6 of the fight were more "dominant" than the rounds Lopez was winning early on. But once again, Loma wasn't active in the first 6 and it only took Lopez throwing singular shots and holding his ground to have him clearly win the early rounds.
     
  4. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    I actually called Loma / Salido on the live RBR because he got desperate and dirty.
    I guess he did learn a few tricks from Salido
     
  5. seansanashee

    seansanashee Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Without fans, you can hear the punches now.
     
  6. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    FK slow mo playbacks
    I just watch the fights in reverse while smoking a Blunt to justify my scores:risas3::borra2:
     
  7. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Round 3: 0:55 Loma lands jab, would not sya this is weak but not strong, AND body left hand defo lands but is weak.

    0:35 jab/hook was not weak at all and it was actually a hybrid between left hook and jab

    You're really scoring punches to the gloves?? That's the first I've heard of it, it's about clean punching to the body and head that's just reaching with that tbh.

    You can't give punching to Lopez here. How does a 1 body hook equal a one jab, one strong jab and straight left to the body. It doesn't.

    For ring generalship you can't just follow a guy a round who is also making you miss and land less. That's not effective ring generalship or aggression. Altho it no doubt cause Lomachenko to halt on his offense. You can follow a guy around all you like but if he hits you more than you hit him then you shouldn't get the round for it.

    Round 3 is at best 10-10 but thatd be generous its 10-9 to Loma..

    Give me a bit and I'll come read through your round 6.
     
  8. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dude I'm watching at slow motion and in normal speed read what I said. Judges have the benefit of having been able to score many fights whilst we don't but we all know bs judging can be. Why not aid the normal viewer with slow motion and NORMAL speed replays. It is more accurate. Your response doesn't address anything explain to me how Loma lost round 3 and 6 like how captain hook attempted.

    And just because judges score real time historically why should that mean this is how it is scored presently. Human eye judging is flawed real time
     
  9. PistolPat

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    You're ignoring the fact that it is much higher risk jabbing to the body.
     
  10. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're introducing a 2nd tier set of rules / points sytem into a sport...on this basis the fight (unless a stoppage) would have to be scored after the fight was over while all judges ran through the tapes lol c'mon, lomo put on a sub par performance accept it!
     
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  11. Beatle

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    If the fight had taken place in Kiev, the judges would have scored it 118-110 for Loma. I scored it 115-113 for Loma, because I count defense and not just offense. The rules say you have to score defense, you know.
     
  12. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    If you spend long enough looking at something, you can eventually see what you want, and the more complex justifications you make, the more you can justify anything.

    It's pretty silly to claim it was a robbery when you'd initally scored it the other way. Even if what you said was true, the judges aren't watching at 0.25 speed, or using your made up system.
     
  13. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dude of course it's a sport with a loosely define set of rules but it's also about punches actually landing. If judges can't perceive punches then clearly they are not fit for the job or there's corruption involved
     
  14. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You should probably just quit with this slow motion talk, it's not going to ingratiate you with many people on this forum.

    I feel like I'm in some time loop as your posts are eerily similar to some people rewatching the Pacman-Mayweather fight in slow motion. Someone actually posted a long-winded youtube video on that.

    What exactly do you want boxing to do? You want a fight to occur and than wait several hours so judges can go to a backroom and watch it on .25 speed? You do know how ridiculous that sounds, right?

    I don't want to give a detailed breakdown of rounds 3 and 6 without watching it right this second, but I remember scoring both those rounds for Lopez. All Lomachecnko had to do was throw some punches in the first 6 of the fight. He was way too conservative until he picked up the pace around round 7. It's not like Teofimo was hitting him with 6-7 punch combinations, most of his punches were singular or 2 punch combos early on with a focus to the body which served him well.

    Lopez could've done much better had he continued with his bodywork in the back 6 of the fight. He ended up going away from it when Loma was putting the pressure on him and it made the fight a lot closer than it needed to be.

    Word of advice man, just leave the slow motion stuff out of analysis. Even the most staunch Loma supporters have no problem with last nights decision outside of how wide the scorecards were. you won't find too many people that thought Lomachenko actually won that fight.
     
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  15. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nice deflection.

    Yes and we are not "professional" judges so therefore being able to watch at that speed and normal speed gives us a better understanding and perception of how clean a punch lands.