Why Middleweight and up is better boxing

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  1. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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  2. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    I believe the question is a bit skewed because middleweights are more in line with the weights below than the weights above. Personally, I would separate the weight groups this way. Strawweight to junior lightweight as mostly boxers with some power, Lightweight through super middleweight as a great mix of boxers and sluggers as well as those who combine the skills. Light heavyweight and above as mostly power guys good with some good boxers.

    Please note that I said most. Obviously men like Naoya Inoue, Ruben Olivares and others were very powerful men while guys like Muhammad Ali and Tommy Loughran were excellent boxers.

    I would say that, overall, the boxers from 135 lbs to 168 lbs produce the most entertaining and highest quality fights.
     
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  3. Kell Macabe

    Kell Macabe I don’t know s*** about boxing Full Member

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    I’ve never thought about it but that’s probably why pac and PBF didn’t move up. Interesting.
     
  4. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Usyk and Bivol are heavys, but they put emphasis on skills rather than power.

    On the other hand, Loma, Crawford, Tank Davis etc have nice KOs in their resume.

    Maybe it's valid for flyweights.
     
  5. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    Why didn’t Manny and Floyd move to 160? Because they physically can’t unless their training is sitting on the couch eating doughnuts. Saying the best guys at lower weight class can’t hang at 160 there fire it sucks is beyond stupid. It’s so stupid that you can’t even grasp that someone at 160 can’t move up and fight Fury or Usyk therefor making heavyweight the best. This is about how stupid this thread is.
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    And yet Froch was coming off of being schooled with skills at the hands of a featherfist in Andre Ward, which is precisely why everyone (not me) thought Bute would school him.
     
  7. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What a load of hooey!

    Why arbitrarily pick Middleweight? Folks have come up from 154 quite happily - hell Andrade is now going to fight Zach Parker at 168.

    But then look at Arthur Abraham - a beast @160, but came unstuck at 168, that extra weight mattered.

    It all gets back to a basic truism in boxing that - all other things being equal - size matters. No ****!

    But this applies to all weights. And many of the best fights of all time were fought at lower weights, with all the best the sweet science has to offer on display. Sure, the big heavyweight rumbles tend to get the really big headlines, but there are some absolute doozies out there well below 160.

    IMO, anyone sleeping on the lower weight classes misses out on some of the best boxing has to offer - sure their might be plenty of chaff too, but i find most of the chaff these days is at the higher weights.
     
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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Andre Ward was a light hitter, but strong as hell. The only guy he ever fought as strong as him was Froch so it's no coincidence that Froch gave him a hard fight. He bullied Kovalev on the inside.

    The point is in the higher weight classes there is no bullshitting. When Gvozdyk fought Beterbiev everybody was picking Gvozdyk except me and a few others. If that was a Welterweight fight Gvozdyk would have bullshitted on the outside and pecked at Artur all night long for an easy decision. Problem for him was LHW is for the big boys. When Gvozdyk landed that huge straight right in the middle of the fight and Beterbiev just ate it and came forward I knew right then and there this fight was a wrap for Beterbiev. Artur went back to his corner and Ramsey said "The only thing the guy can do is right hand from long range, it's his only punch". I knew at that moment Beterbiev was gearing up for an in ring moment of physical savagery.
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Why don't you just call this thread exactly what I knew it was when I clicked on it.

    Tinman's 427th Artur Beterbiev Ball Slathering Thread.:sisi1
     
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  10. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    The latest in a series of 'classic' threads promoting manliness, all brought to you by @tinman, a male human who, funnily enough, has previously stated (on multiple occasions) that he weighs less than one hundred sixty pounds.

    Strikes me that we have a waif of a lad who spends his life looking up to and living vicariously through bigger, brawnier boys.
     
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  11. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    You weren't the only one. Though not the prevailing wisdom at the time (or maybe even this time, given people still underrate his boxing), Carl wasn't just tougher and at least as hard a puncher, he had more skills than Bute.


    Except this kind of scenario plays out below middleweight, too. Not in every single comparable matchup, of course. But nor does it play out in every single comparable matchup at 160 and above.

    Thread is frankly bizarre.
     
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  12. lufcrazy

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    Never seen Mike Gibbons or Chris Byrd fight.

    But yes there are less, defensive wizards at higher weights.
     
  13. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The thread has it the wrong way round.
    Should read, “Middleweight and below!”
     
  14. Decker

    Decker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Many subs on BF24 start threads where their fingers tapped the keyboard more than they tapped their BRAIN.

    This topic makes ZERO sense. You might as well say Super HW is where you separate the "men from the boys". :rolleyes: and :shakehead:
     
  15. The Professor

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    100 percent agree. I've always preferred the higher weight divisions