Why might Fury want a Chisora trilogy?

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  1. 11player

    11player Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah Fury is creating an excuse not to fight the winner of Usyk-Joshua. Dont have to be intelligent to see this, its obvious.

    How can a boxing fan be a fan of his? He is always about not wanting to fight.
    Its retirement, being fat, not training, mental health, insane financial demands, arbitration, Peds bust, tuneup first, need for a trilogy against a journeyman.
    Jeeezzz!!!! Talk about a douche bag for a champion.
     
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  2. BEATDOWNZ

    BEATDOWNZ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Warm up fight? He only fought 4 months ago!
     
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  3. venbox

    venbox Active Member Full Member

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    At least in recent times, I have no idea of a third match scheduled between two fighters even though one of them has won the first two matches, including a stoppage win last time around. Can anybody bring another example?
     
  4. iamthegreatest

    iamthegreatest Active Member Full Member

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    Silly fight. He should fight a genuine top 5 heavyweight as a tune-up (maybe even the winner of Joyce-Parker) for the Usyk-Joshua II winner.
     
  5. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4 Full Member

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    Yeah I am a Fury fan but agree he makes strange decisions. Weird that he is not gonna be using Sugar Hill as his trainer but maybe it has to do with him not being able to travel to the US
     
  6. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Fury is doing this because...
    1. He is Fury and he just says and does random nonsense crap like this because he's a man-child troll.
    2. Cocaine has permanently addled his brain.
    3. He suffers from histrionic personality disorder.
     
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  7. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." Full Member

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    Not to say it's true of every last case, but;
    We have a coterie of nervous bluffers and wagon-hopping fairweather fly-by-nights riding alongside the rare straight-shooting Usyk acolytes, plus a few snides of the 'I like both Fury and Usyk, but I won't hesitate to throw discernment out of the window and seize on any half-baked excuse to denigrate Fury, trust me, I'm so objective' variety. :lol:
     
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  8. ShortRound

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    Yeah, wanting Fury to get KO'd by Whyte gave it away. If they were confident they'd have wanted Fury to beat Whyte so that Usyk could be the one to dethrone Fury, not some 2nd rate contender. I am personally hoping Usyk that destroys Joshua even though Usyk is obviously a tougher fight for Fury, precisely because I regard Fury beating Joshua as a near forgone conclusion which adds little to Fury's record (he's already beaten two superior 6'5+ punchers). Usyk's got a unique style and it's a much more interesting fight on every level, though one I expect Fury to win decisively.
     
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  9. Guerra

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    Also the timing shows he is rushing into it to avoid the AJ vs Usyk winner.
    Then he hopes for AJ to win. I honestly hope Usyk wins at this point to see him run some more and disfrace himself since he would be forcee to man up.
    Then we can listen to months of jibberish hoe he feels Chisora beat Usyk and more lies.

    That the guillable Brits even buy into the Chisora fight and pay for it is stupid to begin with.
    Its like watching Madrid duck the cl final to beat Espanyol once more.

    Or to stay in boxing fights to see Ali duck fight of the century to give Floyd Patterson a third beating.
     
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  10. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." Full Member

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    Exactly this.

    Hear, hear. With the nuance that I don't so much hope that Usyk crushes Joshua as confidently expect it.


    Well, seeing as we're taking these Chisora rumblings at face value, let's not be selective;
     
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  11. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    H like picking cherries
     
  12. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." Full Member

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    To add to the above quoted, and as I've said in other words in other threads,

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    Joshua does pull off a reversal, he becomes a highly viable nemesis for Fury once more, because he will have told me something about himself that I didn't believe to be true.

    I'm one of those who actually credited him for his return bout victory over Andy Ruiz (as much for the intangible/emotional hurdles he had to overcome as for the stylistic adjustments required), but this is a bigger mountain. My estimations of his chances in this rematch are much lower than they were for Ruiz II (which was more of a touch-and-go, 50/50, 'if he can stick to the gameplan and keep it up over twelve' kind of deal).

    I don't believe he has what it takes to carve a path to victory in this instance, whatever the stylistic or strategic approach, so it stands to reason that I'd have to significantly reevaluate my estimations of Joshua if he legitimately defeats Usyk. It will require something special from him, in terms of both character/intestinal fortitude and ability to adapt and execute.
     
  13. granth

    granth Well-Known Member Full Member

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    A Joshua or Usyk fight would likely not take place until next year. I'd assume he'd want a fight in the meantime.
     
  14. ShortRound

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    I agree that to legitimately defeat Usyk, AJ would have to show more fortitude and probably skill than we've ever seen from him. And as embarrassing as Ruiz 2 was in many ways I regard it as AJ's 2nd best win after Wlad: he showed a new dimension to his game (albeit not fully convincingly against an untrained Ruiz in a big ring) and he had the durability, mental strength and stamina to keep it together for 12 rounds against a confident, aggressive and very heavy foe who had destroyed him in the first fight. Plus AJ did it coming off his first loss, in an immediate rematch to regain those heavyweight belts, which is very rare (at minimum) historically.

    But regardless of the outcome Fury-AJ doesn't interest me much (although Fury would obviously have to go for it if AJ beat Usyk). Partly because AJ is in the mould of fighters Fury has already beaten and dominated (especially Wlad) partly because AJ's already been defeated not once but twice and partly because his size and power advantages along with institutional favouritism have to give him a fair chance against a man who is naturally much smaller and less powerful than himself. AJ can't impose himself on Fury as he potentially could Usyk because Fury is the much bigger man, the better inside fighter with the superior chin, fortitude and engine. If AJ boxes at range Fury will also eat him up. Whereas Usyk will have some cruiserweight advantages over Fury as well as the southpaw stance, along with better skills, experience, chin and fortitude than AJ. Stylistically rather than being most similar to Wlad and Wilder, Usyk is most similar to Cunningham and Wallin (though not better in every respect) but with a lot of high level SHW sparring and fighting experience and significantly better. So it's a completely different challenge to AJ, stylistically considerably more difficult and would be a win that rounds out Fury's record so much better than beating yet another 6'5+ HW champion puncher.
     
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  15. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." Full Member

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    I agree. Superficial optics have resulted in that performance being undercredited, unfairly dismissed.

    All who rubbish the victory would do well to recall the widespread doubt over Joshua's ability to psychologically rebound as well as his physical capacity to enact that kind of a gameplan over twelve rounds, and not least because many of those doing the post-fight rubbishing will have numbered among the most vociferous of the pre-fight doubters.


    We differ in that I would receive Joshua defeating Usyk as evidence of an ability to dramatically break and change his mold. In my estimation, a Joshua victory cannot hinge on size and a puncher's chance — significant adaption and reinvention is necessary.

    I would, of course, continue to heavily favor Fury over Joshua in any case. But a Joshua victory over Usyk would make him a highly creditable scalp for Fury once more, putting aside my own perceptions to take in the historical picture.
     
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