Why Mike Tyson at his best beats prime Ali

In terms of pure punching power, Bruno did hit harder than Ali? Are you saying he didn't?

Just because a fighter is overall better than another fighter doesnt mean that he's better in every area. For example

Ali was a greater fighter than Shavers. But in terms of punching power alone, Shavers was better. In terms of punching power alone, Max Baer was better than Ali and in terms of punching power alone, Bruno was better than Ali. But in total, Ali is better than all of them and probably would beat all of them.

Joe Louis was a greater fighter than George Chuvalo but in terms of chin, Chuvalo was better. Ray Mercer was better.

 

I was only comparing them in terms of punching power nothing more.

Louis was greater than Mercer, but in terms of chin Mercer >>>> Louis just like in terms of one punch power Bruno >>> Ali

 

Buster Douglas would more likely beat Ali than Norton would likely make it 3 rounds against a 1988 Mike Tyson, let alone a trilogy. A Tyson/Norton trilogy could very well be a total of 3 rounds

In fact, none of the fighters who beat Ali would make it against a 1988 young Mike Tyson.

The in shape, on fire Douglas of Tokyo could very well do as good as Norton did vs Ali

 

We both know that sometimes stoppages are about more than just pure power. Did Ali hit harder than Shavers or Cooney, too?

By that logic, he'd have to be one of the hardest hitters in the heavyweight division. And Fraizer and Liston retired in their corners not being counted out. Bonavena and Foreman likely went down from exhaustion as much as being hit.

Hypothetically speaking, if Bruno or Ruddock or Smith could land on any of the above named, the KOs would've been alot more vicious

If Ali hit as hard as Bruno, Foreman and Bonavena would've had to been wheeled out of the ring. Of course, Bruno didnt have everything else Ali had so he maybe doesnt get the results Ali got.

 

Yeah and Chuvalo, Terrell, Williams and company were better than Tyson?

And Id back Spinks at heavy to beat any of the above named 60s contenders. So would past his prime Holmes. And convincingly, too.

I mean, you're saying "make adjustments" as if you're counting on a rabbit being pulled out of a hat.
You may as well say Ali beats Tyson because miracles.

I mean, I can understand specific, detailed reasons. But "make adjustments" can mean anything or nothing at all.

 

The point is being the greater fighter doesnt mean being better at EVERYTHING than a lesser fighter.

Tyson didnt beat greater fighters than Ali but he did walk through the punches of much harder punchers than Ali. Thats all im saying. Not that they were better than Ali.

 

And we all know Douglas didnt fight the best Tyson so lets not go down that well beaten path.

 

Lets ignore Ali teeing off on Patterson and Patterson not falling.

If Marciano was teeing off on Patterson or Razor Ruddock was teeing off on him, what do you think would be the result?

I dont know if you ever seen teenage mutant ninja turtles. In the 2nd movie, Shredder got hold of the ooze and turned himself into the super shredder. Well,a young Mike Tyson is like a super version of Patterson. Basically what Patterson would turn into if he got hold of the ooze Shredder got.

Punches that didnt floor Patterson is not going to stop Tyson, who washed up, took Lewis best for 8 rounds, in his tracks. Ali would have to hit Tyson an ungodly amount of times to get results

And please, lets not go down the Douglas path because if I bring up Henry Cooper or Doug Jones, two guys Tyson would've utterly slain, there'll be much weeping wailing and gnashing of teeth from you. I'm trying to seriously compare the 2 at their respective best. Thats why I havent mentioned Cooper or Jones. Trying to through up Douglas as a trump card is the lazy mans way out.