Why Mike Tyson at his best beats prime Ali

Wow, 6 pagess and this guy still believes Tyson is just going to effortlessly walk through Alis punches and do what he feels like doing? Why didnt any of Alis 60+ opponents try that? Were they all glass jawed bums and tyson is just that incredible and durable?

I must have missed something because last I checked Tysons been stopped 5x and was visibly hurt and rocked many times outside of thpse bouts. Last I checked Douglas and Holyfield werent known as being devastating power punchers and they destroyed Tyson with accuracy, timing, & speed, 3 things Ali excelled at.

"Tyson was on the decline in those fights" ok, so u want to shift the goal posts and ignore any fight where Tyson had bad moments? Ali was brilliant in the Zora Folley fight but he still got nailed by a few solid right hands. You cant just cherry pick a fighters best moments and make up some mythical fan fiction character, Tyson was in his prime physically and a world champion when he fought Douglas and Tucker, we absolutely can use those fights even when discussing prime vs prime.

 

I assume in terms of Mike ignorance is bliss. ''Tis folly to be wise

 

Better yet in rogers mayweather voice
Dnsab
Bruno harder puncher then foreman
SRR over rated puncher

 

Tyson ko 5 times
Foreman 1 time by atg
Who has the better chin

 

I would say Tyson would be the clear favorite here...Cus trained Tyson to specifically beat Ali because he knew those were the types of guys he would be fighting. Speed is a non important point since Tyson is just as fast and is a pressure fighter...so those two combined would be Alis nightmare.

You also are overlooking Tysons body punches would take the stamina out of Ali if it should go into later rounds,where Frazier didn't have that hook uppercut punch combo to drive a shot thru Alis guard,Tyson would and would do it religiously if Ali tried leaning on the ropes which he would because he would have no place to run.

You are severly underating the physical and athletic conditioning of Tyson. The biggest factor here really is what does each do the best? Ali has the jab but its Tyson easiest punch to counter....I believe that's would be end game,and if Tyson used his double /triple jabbing technique to get inside ,its even more a mismatch if Tyson starts using uppercuts in the clinch. cus felt Tyson was so advanced he thought at 15 he could have beat Holmes had he been mentally more mature and not a kid.

Tyson by age 20 by K.o rnd 5. Assuming this isn't 60's Ali the one for whatever strange reason you think is going to take Tyson shots. And he WOULD .

 

More ridiculous comments.

Ali is rated the greatest hwt champion ever by most. Tyson is never rated over Ali. You would be hard pressed to find a true expert who would pick Tyson over Ali. In fact Tyson himself stated many time he could never have beaten Ali.

Ali really is a different class of hwt vs Tyson. Ali always rose to the occasion. He was written off vs Liston and Foreman yet found a way to ko both. He came so close to being beaten by Frazier in Manila yet rose to the occasion to win. Everytime Tyson was in real trouble he lost. When winning he dominated. When losing he fell apart. Not Ali and this difference in class allows Ali to beat Tyson every time.

 

He also said he'd never beat Liston and Dempsey. I tend to agree here.

 

Ali has a million more heart and guts than Tyson. He beats him in the later rounds.

 

Once Ali gets into Tyson's head,...he stay's there!!! This would be a mental as well as a physical fight!!!

 

Tyson NEVER got off the canvas to come back and win a fight!!!

 

So out of Ali's 61 pro fights he stopped (37) of his opponents and yet he's now a "pity-pat " puncher?. 1st to stop S.Liston, G.Foreman, and O,Benovena in or close to their primes but to you he "pity-pats . M.Tyson had tremendous physical skills. Anyone that deny's that is lying to themselves. (Like you with that nonsense on Ali) But unlike you I give credit were credit is due. But theirs a old saying about fighters having" dog" in him. I can think of at least 4 occasions where Tyson wanted to quit, including the intentional biting off both Holyfields ears. (he wanted to quit,the bully outside.met the coward inside and he had a melt down, that simple.) Quick name one great fighter in the looooonnng history of boxing who pulled a stunt like that because he was getting his butt handed to him? Not even Charles "Sonny" Liston the very 1st "bully" heavyweight champ pulled a stunt like that. He quit, but didnt bite an ear off. And to me at least, it tells me everything I needed to know about the man inside. Tyson in his prime had all the physical skills any fighter should want. But boxing is much more mental than physical. He showed me at least that against fighters like an Ali,Foreman,Liston, a YOUNGER L.Holmes or any fighter who wouldnt beat themselves he would have serious problems. I can easily see him getting frustrated in the ring against Ali and doing something stupid to get D.Q. Or, like Liston, claim some injury to get the fight stopped. a dog is a dog.

 

Ali had bad hands especially during the early 70's. His hands felt great for his bout with Foreman and one can see the power he generated. Ali was no Louis in terms of power but he certainly could do lots of damage.

 

Lol what makes you think, Tyson has a better chin than Liston and Foreman? Tyson got knocked out (And I think even knocked down as well) more than these 2 combined.

 

I hope you more to offer than that because Lewis himself said he hurt his right hand during the fight and needed a few rounds to adjust. This is why he ignored Emmuanual's yelling and screaming to get him out of there. I'm not saying Tyson didn't take a hell of beating, he clearly did, but it going 8 rounds wasn't just because Tyson could take a punch.

 

This debate often ends up coming down to a comparison between Mike Tyson and Joe Frazier.

People ask whether Tyson would've been likely to succeed where Frazier succeed.

My guess is probably not.

Tyson is what I would describe as a pure finisher, while Frazier is what I would describe as a pure swarmer.

Tyson's style was geared towards finishing an opponent as quickly as possible, and he was about as good at this as anybody has ever been.

Frazier's style is more geared towards applying sustained pressure over the course of a fight, and breaking down his opponent incrementally.

This means that while Frazier would be unlikely to be successful against Tyson, he was actually much better equipped for fighting Ali.

What would most likely happen, is that Ali would survive Tyson's initial assault, with a combination of movement and heavy clinching.

Once Tyson's initial assault ran out of steam, and he settled down to a more leisurely pace, Ali would take control of the fight.

It is not a given of course, because Tyson still holds significant stylistic aces.

What ultimately seal the era for Ali however, is Tyson's relatively short prime.

In a series of three, you would inevitably get a very good version of Ali, fighting a worse version of Tyson, two times out of three probably.