Why most boxers go bankrupt?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    If you give a young man with a limited education or a person who wasn't very smart, to begin with, a lot of money, he'll likely spend it quickly, not understanding the concept of putting some money away for retirements, or how to win with conservative investments.

    I think its a bit better these days, but that could be due to the champions themselves being better educated.
     
  2. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Let's be real, the majority of athletes aren't very bright. The dumb jock stereotype exists for a reason.
     
  3. KernowWarrior

    KernowWarrior Bob Fitzsimmons much bigger brother. Full Member

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    A young guy who is good at a sport, is fit and has the young ladies seeking his attention, is not going to be thinking too much about his life away from the sport, living for the moment.

    Regrettably also even if the fighter started to ask the right questions, they were often deflected by their managers and handlers by statements along lines of, "You do the training and fighting and we will deal with everything else".

    As long as the active fighter had money to live their exciting lifestyle, they were happy pugilists.

    Rocky Marciano liked the dollar, was a poor business man but did not die bankrupt, just he did not trust banks so allegedly he squirrelled away money in 'hidey holes', regrettably he did not inform his family where before his early demise, so there might not be "Gold in them thar hills" but there might be rolls of dollar bills.
     
  4. UFC2015

    UFC2015 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Apparently Rocky was obsessively stingy with his money, apartly he would never put his money in banks and would keep them hidden in the most peculiar spots like in a bed hanger, shoebox. He had life savings of $2.5-3 million at the time and his family hired many investigators to find out where he kept the money hidden but it was never find.
     
  5. UFC2015

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    It is important to identify that the boxers who successfully not only kept their boxing earnings but they used it to multiply 3-4 folds in retirement i.e. Lennox Lewis, Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes, George Foreman, Oscar De Loya. What did these guys do differently from the average boxer?
     
  6. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The thing that boxers can avoid doing which will halve their wealth at the drop of a hat, is to avoid marriage.
    You will lose at least half of everything you own once the wife chooses to cash out on a no fault divorce.

    The other thing to do is wrap up. If you are like Holyfield and you are paying child support on 12 kids by 10 different baby mommas you will end up broke. Because the courts will not cut you some slack.

    Those 2 above are the two most common reasons boxers end up broke despite amassing lots of career earnings.
     
  7. UFC2015

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    I think the first and foremost is to identify who you are real and true friends are, to get rid of that ******ed entourage. I disagree about not being in a relationship or avoid getting married, boxers are human beings to at the end of the day but boxers should sign an Iron clad prenup.

    Lol agree about the protection part. I think boxers have to learn the art of saying no. If you suddenly end up with $50-60 million and your family members, distant family members, friends e.t.c. will all come to you for a loan, handout, favor e.t.c. Other people will come to you with promises to multiply your investments, life savings to 4-5 times.

    I think boxers should really step it up and go the Floyd Mayweather route. They should take ownership of their name, brand and promote their own fights instead of relying on a Promoter or Manager like a Bob Arum, Don King but all expenses should be met as far as a high quality trainer and training regimin is concerned.
     
  8. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    they don't seem to realize that the money will eventually dry up..
     
  9. steve21

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    Leonard says he received the best advice from Ali, who told him, "Get yourself a Jewish lawyer" Leonard did, learned how to keep close tabs on what he earned, and the rest worked itself out.

    Foreman has always said the best advice he ever received was being told you can always make a living as a salesman; if you know how to sell, it doesn't matter what the product is and you can apply the skills in a variety of situations. In his case, the grill opened up the doors boxing never could, and gave him greater exposure to the general public; more products/sales opportunities followed. In a sense, he used that sales approach to his fights - reinventing himself as a Gentle Ben kind of guy, vs the scowling monster he was known as during his first run towards the title.

    Without knowing more, I'd guess the rest somehow managed to luck into having just the right people around them, giving them support and knowledge without exploiting them. A sadly rare thing -
     
  10. UFC2015

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    As far as bad company is concerned, is it possible for any successful boxer to just keep his money, earnings to his wife, kids and to block out everyone else? Or is it impossible and impractical? I bet if you flaunt material possessions in public, everyone gets an idea that you are loaded.
     
  11. steve21

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    It's certainly possible - like most things, it boils down to the character of the athlete. Ali had a need to be admired, loved, etc, so he spent and gave lavishly to dozens of hangers-on who were only too happy to empty his pockets. Tyson had no need to be loved, but filled whatever void he had in his life/heart with extravagances (how many damn Rolls-Royces does one man ever need?). Holmes, on the other hand, was secure in himself and who he was. His biggest concern was providing a secure future for himself and his family; so he invested wisely, and lives comfortably.
     
  12. McGrain

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    That's fine if you don't want to buy your mother, say, a home, perhaps your father, perhaps your two sisters. They also need to furnish these houses.

    But say you don't do all that; you leave enough money over to "utilize...in a business venture" and assume that it would "work for 5-10 times more".

    That's an enormous assumption. Most business ventures fail. The majority. The fact is it's a very hard thing to be good at. That's why so very, very few people do it. Most people do NOT run a business venture, and business ventures that "work for 5-10 times more" are inherently very risky. So by the above post, you've ploughed your money into a risky business venture which is unlikely to succeed.

    If it does, nobody ever hears of you again, fair enough. But, as is likely, when it fails, you have to chose: sell the homes, cars, your "few luxury items", OR, go bankrupt. Most people prefer to go bankrupt and hold what they got.

    Most people work square jobs because business is too risky. Fighters have this insane, and (in the cases you're describing) very high paid work which doesn't last. While they're fighting they're fine because new money is coming in all the time; when they stop, that stops. They're now trying to do what you've described. People lucky enough to be absolute world class athletes and world class businessmen are rare. So it will generally come down to who has surrounded themselves with the right people. Someone like Mike Tyson comes out of Brownsville as a teen and falls in with people who take care of him, right up to the point of protecting him from police with cash. At no time does he have the opportunity to learn business or networking. Truncated education straight into overprotection and then into "you're on your own". When you look at it like this it's surprising any fighters don't go broke and understandable why the ones that don't are investing in pubs and clubs, and definitely not getting "5-10 times" on their money.

    Even the very simple and apparently straight-forward model you described is inherently flawed.
     
  13. janitor

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    I am a trustee for a charity, that holds assets of several million pounds, and I review the accounts regularly. The charity's assets are managed by an accountancy firm, who invests them in low risk gilts. The returns on those gilts are around 13-14% per annum. That is probably what would be possible for a boxer using low risk investments, provided that his assets were sufficient to pay the accountancy firm out of his returns, and still return a net gain.
     
  14. choklab

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    The biggest problem for boxers is that they don’t get a salary. They are self employed. When you are self employed you get nothing when your not working and you have to sort your own tax.

    So it works out great when they are on a deal whereby the manager puts them on a Salary that is deducted from a purse. And it works great when somebody reliable is putting away the tax. But even if that is so, those deductions that pay the salary will take up all of the purse or more than the purses until the fighter makes big enough purses. Most fighters are not lucky enough to get beyond this point. Many rated fighters are lucky to clear national minimum wage after tax from boxing. They rely on sponsors or other employment.

    When it comes to the champions who do score for huge paydays you have to wonder what is really going on. I wonder if they know what they have to spend. If they understand what net and gross really means. A lot of people outside boxing really don’t. Most people tell you what they earn and include the total before tax. Nobody gets to spend that on anything but tax so you can’t count that as yours. But people do.

    I never understood why rich people just don’t buy stuff outright. When somebody gets a windfall they will generally only “put money down” on something and spread the money too far. Once you own something outright it leaves you with less money but it’s yours. You can’t lose it. If the money stops you still have an asset rather than a fraction of a lot of seperate depreciating liabilities.

    A rich man once told me he divides everything in his life as either an asset or a liability. An asset makes money and a liability obviously dosnt. If you have too many liabilities and no assets you are in the crapper no matter how much you have coming in. To him it was as simple as that. A house is an asset. A car isn’t. A wife is. An ex wife isn’t. That sort of thing.

    I read about some fighters that made fantastic investments and still ended up broke. Freddie Mills owned a street of houses, a good family home and a restaurant. He wound up so broke he committed suicide.

    Randy Turpin bought a huge holiday resort. He wound up living with his family in two rooms. Shot himself in the head himself above a transport cafe he rented.

    Jake Lamotta at one time owned an apartment building freehold, a boxing arena and a carpark opposite Yankee Stadium with license to sell street food. Yet he wound up with nothing until Scorsese made that film on him.