Why neither Manny or Floyd are in any top 25 all time (at the minute)

Man, step into the real world.

You may get a few pundits talking up PAcquiao, to get some media interest, and a heap of web hits, but Pacquiao's never appeared in any serious top 20.

Most people can think of 10 heavyweights with better resumes than Pacquiao

 

Man, that's opinion. Subjective. Fans think different things.

No ones ever won in 8 weight classes.

No ones ever retired unbeaten with the resume Mayweather has.

You're talking unbeaten over 5 freaking weight classes.

 

I find these arguments pretty subjective.

Personally, I don't see much difference in Floyd and Manny's resumes. Floyd has just made it look a bit easier.

As in, do you seriously think if Manny had roasted Marquez and mosely in his last 2 fights, at any weight division, the world wouldn't be crowning him even more than they are now?

 

Man, the only fights of that series, in which the opponent was anything close to being peak was

Barrera 1
Morales 1
Marquez 1 and 2

And in reality Morales wasn't even peak when he beat pacquiao. Let alone lose,

Pacquiao struggled in most of those fights

 

Man, the best Super Featherweight Pacquiao fought, wouldn't break any all time top 100.

 

Hmmmm, I was just coming out with a random figure with 10, but heavyweights who've got better wins on their resume than Pacquiao?

Jim Corbett
Joe Walcott
Sonny Liston
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Joe Louis
Muhammed Ali


That's 7. I'd say at least 5 are guaranteed to be ahead of Pacquiao on any all time great list.

 

Man, he wasn't green.

He was as bad in those fights as he was against Marquez in the rematch 18 months ago.

Just a superior class of opposition.

 

Man, Floyd's beaten 3 linear champions, and not lost to anybody

Man, as for ducking, this is just how boxing is.

There is as much evidence Pacquiao ducked Marquez, Mosely, Williams and Martinez than Floyd with Cotto or margarito.

As in, they've all repeatedly called him out, and he's fought weaker opposition instead

 

Pacquiao/Mosely was a more obvious duck than Cotto/Mayweather

at least equal.

As for Pacquiao/Marquez?