Why no love for Pac's "strengths"?

Brauer · Dec 16, 2011

I never though i would say this but people are underrating Pacquiao here

cesare-borgia · Dec 16, 2011

Brauer said: ↑

No one said he was declining till he lost to Marquez
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Many people actually said it, some after margarito and a lot after mosley.

boxbox · Dec 16, 2011

Phat_Ass_Dude said: ↑

He just throws fast punches.....THAT'S IT!!!
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that also lands on his opponents...:yep

Leonard · Dec 16, 2011

JMP said: ↑

Are you really calling me a casual fan and a *******?

NEVER said that combination was something incredibly spectacular. NEVER said Cotto was a great technical fighter or had a great defense. I've said in the past that he'd struggle mightily to be a top 10 fighter back in the 1990s era of welterweights/junior middleweights. The things I praised were Pacquiao's handspeed and explosiveness when throwing that combination. His accuracy should be praised, too. Pretty much did the best he could there with the opponent in front of him. He lit Cotto up like a ****ing Christmas tree. So please show me where I described Pacquiao's technical skills as great. And PLEASE point out where I wrote the parts mentioned in the beginning of the paragraph, before you go ahead and continue putting words in my mouth with no basis in the first place and call me a "****ing idiot" and a "casual fan."

Who gives a **** about what styles would give Pacquiao trouble or what fighters would have beaten him in the past? For the record, I don't consider Pacquiao one of the very elite head to head greats, especially at these weights he's been fighting at recently. This is a thread about his strengths, though. And maybe you don't have the wherewithal to notice them, but rest assured, he does have some. I could very easily post a video of Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, and Juan Manuel Marquez in their individual "respect their skills" threads and say, "great and all, but they're fighting Antonio Tarver, Victor Ortiz, and Michael Katsidis respectively. Now let's see them against Victor Galindez, Donald Curry, and Beau Jack and see what they do then!" But I wouldn't. And it would be ****ing stupid to do so in those types of threads. Who gives a ****? Only people with a blatant agenda or dislike for a fighter do that kind of garbage in these types of threads. You're a broken ****ing record, *****.

Somebody posts a GIF of Pacquiao hitting Cotto or Pacquiao hitting Barrera and it's "so what? look at the oppponents flaws" with you. Somebody posts up a Mayweather GIF of him countering Phillip N'dou and it's "wow! masterful!" Or a GIF of Mayweather knocking down Hatton and it's "look at the transition from the, um...the Philly Shell to the...um, um...what did Steward call it? Oh, the check hook! Yeah, that's it. The CHECK HOOK!" Go ahead and keep doing it, too, and falsely tell yourself you've presented the world with some amazing in-depth boxing insight. ****ing fool.

Also, your idea of what Pacquiao brings to the sport involves only the type of irrational fans who think of him as a God. That's pretty damn sad. The great fights, great performances, and amazing physical attributes don't register with you. They fly right over your ****ing head. Can't say I'm surprised because I pretty much consider you a **** poster with an amazingly easy agenda to decipher from everything I've been unfortunate enough to read of yours. You know the current scene and you know it at a rudimentary level. Your topic versatility is incredibly limited. Don't give a flying **** if you have or do box. Means **** all to me. Come with something better than that, you stupid ****.
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:deal

boom!

EJDiaZ · Dec 16, 2011

We love Pac, even PBF fans like his style, admit it

hooligan · Dec 16, 2011

Brauer said: ↑

No one said he was declining till he lost to Marquez
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a lot has noticed pac's decline after the margo fight...

max kellerman said so in round 12 i think....just to name one...

this_and_that · Dec 16, 2011

Brauer said: ↑

No one said he was declining till he lost to Marquez
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That is very misleading.

One search and you will see that all (or nearly all) these people on this thread who said he was declining since Margo were being consistent.
There was even a thread that asked if Pac is still on his absolute peak and nearly none said yes.
Everyone agreed that he has declined but still near prime.

Go on. I dare you.

this_and_that · Dec 16, 2011

Phat_Ass_Dude said: ↑

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elchivito · Dec 16, 2011

Boxed Ears said: ↑

No love for his strengths? He's been on a love train for about three years, at least, and rightfully so. Now that he's had a fairly ****ing debatable decision and doesn't look like more than just a man, people are concentrating more on his flaws, as every fighter has. It was bound to happen.
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:deal

Divi253 · Dec 16, 2011

Boxed Ears said: ↑

No love for his strengths? He's been on a love train for about three years, at least, and rightfully so. Now that he's had a fairly ****ing debatable decision and doesn't look like more than just a man, people are concentrating more on his flaws, as every fighter has. It was bound to happen.
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:deal :huh

elchivito · Dec 16, 2011

I've always admired Mannys feints and movement, which is unpredictable and unique as Steward has said describing Manny a fighter with "no rhythm" which is not a bad thing just that Manny uses that method coming forward better than anyone. Its all attributed to his footwork. His conditioning is one of the best too. His countering I think is abit underrated and his offense regarding power abit overrated.

Toopretty · Dec 16, 2011

If you stand in front of that man and trade punches you are going to get ****ed up. I don't think anyone bar maybe Tito Trinidad at 147 could get the best in a firefight at welter and below. Tito only would b/c he has true one punch KO power.

Toopretty · Dec 16, 2011

Great chin too.

Gander Tasco · Dec 16, 2011

Phat_Ass_Dude said: ↑

Sometimes people in here have NO idea of who they are talking too. And because I am not a bragger...I will let to you go on thinking I have never box before

Maybe if he faced someone with that ability. Do you remember Pacquiao and Roach's AWESOME quote prior to the Mosley fight: "SHANE MOSLEY WILL BE THE FASTEST FIGHTER I HAVE FACED IN MY CAREER". A 40 year old way past his prime fighter is the fastest fighter Team Pacquiao has ever fought...ARE U FUCJKING KIDDING ME, THTA'S ALMOST 60 PRO FIGHTS, and Mosley is the fastest?

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Well keep boxing then idito cus u dont know what ur talking about. When u win some championships or do anything better then making minum wage at your local burger king let me know.

Divi253 · Dec 16, 2011

Phat_Ass_Dude said: ↑

Sometimes people in here have NO idea of who they are talking too. And because I am not a bragger...I will let to you go on thinking I have never box before

Maybe if he faced someone with that ability. Do you remember Pacquiao and Roach's AWESOME quote prior to the Mosley fight: "SHANE MOSLEY WILL BE THE FASTEST FIGHTER I HAVE FACED IN MY CAREER". A 40 year old way past his prime fighter is the fastest fighter Team Pacquiao has ever fought...ARE U FUCJKING KIDDING ME, THTA'S ALMOST 60 PRO FIGHTS, and Mosley is the fastest?
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Gander Tasco said: ↑

Well keep boxing then idito cus u dont know what ur talking about. When u win some championships or do anything better then making minum wage at your local burger king let me know.
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http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/219754/sports/boxing/pacquiao-mosley-final-presser-is-calm-before-the-storm

----------Roach believes you can't underestimate a great boxer like Mosley and he sees the future Hall of Famer as a different kind of fighter than what Pacquiao had faced recently.

"Manny's fought punchers before, but I will say that this is the fastest puncher we've fought and I think speed is more of a factor than power in a boxer. This makes Shane a little more dangerous."------

They said puncher not fighter though.

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