Why no more 180-199lb boxers with extraordinary punching power?

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    And someone claims I am why the grand old posters left this forum.

    Seriously, gentlemen, this is the most boring discussion in the history of the internet.
     
  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Not sure anyone would disagree with anything you’ve written but how exactly does this address my original post?
     
  3. Grapefruit

    Grapefruit Active Member Full Member

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    Bob foster was known to be a heavy handed fighter. But I think your question goes deeper than thay, I think they used to put more emphasis what fighters traits were back in the day, whether they had great power, speed, footwork, stamina or punch resistance was all more documented than today, or maybe it's that most fighters today tend to balance themselves out being a jack of all trades but masters of none.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Hitting on bigger opponents?
     
  5. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    It does address your post.

    All the cruisers come in at 210 to 215 so they wont be outweighed as they fight other cruisers.

    185 to 199 isn't a desirable weight any fighter wants to enter the ring at anymore.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    Guys from the 1940-1960's often used 6 or 8 ounce gloves. These are puncher's gloves! Today light heavies and cruisers often use 10 or 12 ounce gloves, which takes something off the impact and slows the velocity just a tad.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    You nailed it. 185 is a light heavy after he rehydrates. There is something called a best weight. If your best weight is 185-199 are now small cruisers.

    Also guys are getting a little taller. You don't see many short light heavies at the top.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Thanks, but I still see how that explains what I’m describing. Even if we include both the light heavies who weigh between 180-200 the night of the fight and the cruisers who officially weigh in at 180-200 the day before, the consensus seems to be that nobody — or at most one or two people — born in the past 70 years or so has power similar to those of the old 180-200lb legends of days past.

    In addition to the general tendencies to romanticize the giants of the past, I think that changes in gloves and maybe rules/reffing (today’s boxers get more time to clear their heads after knockdowns) may have a lot to do with this.
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    So people think that the old fighters that size hit harder because they hit on bigger opponents? I can see that.
     
  10. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Because your sample group doesn't exist in today's climate. No Cruisers weigh 180-199 anymore.

    Some light heavies fall into that range, like Kovalev 181-189, but he isn't matched the same way light heavies of the past was.

    The heavyweight division where there is most potential for weight discrepancy now has a 200 pound requirement and the weight of the division tends to trend because nobody wants their man to be the smallest in every bout. Anyone turning pro at Heavyweight now and looking to contend will weigh at least 220.

    Even Povetkin got "fattend" up some 20 pounds between the 2004 Olympics and his 2005 Pro Debut.
     
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  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    So you’re saying that there may well have been more recent fighters who hit as hard as Langford, Dempsey, Marciano, Fitzsimmons, etc. and who would have been their size back in the day but because of weight-cutting practices in the modern era none of them weigh between 180-200lbs (either at the weigh in or on the night of the fight)? I don’t mean to be dense or difficult; just trying to make sure I understand your take accurately.
     
  12. The Kentucky Cobra

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    Yes, look at Denis Lebedev. At 25, he was likely weighing 180 or lighter in the ring. I have little doubt he could KO a 220 pound man if given the opportunity.

    Recall, Adamek vs Banks. Banks was supposedly 215-220 in that fight with Adamek not gaining much after the weigh in at 199.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Pretty sure he meant the more modern little men are hitting bigger opponents. Could be wrong.
     
  14. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This.
     
  15. janitor

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    Contemporary studies with pressure sensors, show that smaller gloves, make almost no difference to the power of the punch.

    But, and there is a but.....

    The smaller gloves made it a lot easier to thread a punch through a gap in the guard.

    This could be a big advantage for a smaller fighter.

    Also the quality of the padding on the older gloves was more dubious, and got displaced a lot more readily.
     
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