Why not? My Top 50 All-Time P4P?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Drew101, Mar 7, 2008.


  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And what possible justification could there be for leaving Harada, Loi and Basilio out of a top 100 list? I'd surely love to hear it.
     
  2. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    NO!
     
  3. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Agreed, Booze's lists are interesting, but often very inconsistent in places.
     
  4. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And now for a slightly longer response. :D

    I'm not going to write off any active fighter's chances to enhance their legacy...there have been too many occasions where that's happened before. In the case of Duran I could easily rate him as a lightweight even when he was campaigning at 168, but I still would have held off on rating him p4p until he retired.

    In the case of Jones, if he's able to somehow secure another title, then his standing goes up, imo (although it means that the losses to Tarver and Johnson become that much more glaring).

    So, thanks for the advice, rooster...but I'm not taking it.
     
  5. Manassa

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    TBooze has a hook for a hand.

    TBooze is not a fan of the Young Corbetts.
     
  6. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hey I have #3 as a mention in my Middleweight list; and #2 as a mention in my best fighters of 1901-10 list!;)
     
  7. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Harada was a phenomemon for a period, and gets kudos for that. He shared in excellent battles with Kingpetch, Jofre, Rose and Famechon, coming out with a solid 3-4 record.

    Basilio used to be in my top 100, but he dropped out last time round, a fun fighter, who sadly gets over shadowed by Robinson, still I do have him as an all-time top 10 welter, which is a great compliment when considering the strength, all-time, of that division.

    Loi (like Harada) seems to be the flavour of this month. He was a solid European fighter, who had good numbers and eventually showed he was world class, but outside the 2-1 win over Ortiz he did nothing to get a top 100 place IMO.
     
  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You mean with a corrupt record of 3-4. He beat Kingpetch both times and beat Famechon the first time too, and you can take that from one of Johnny's fellow Melbournians. Harada-Famechon I ranks with the very worst robberies of all time. I had Harada ahead by 5 points.

    I can understand your treatment of Harada if you are using boxrec as your guiding light, but if you are to be serious T, you HAVE to include Harada in the top 100. He is a three division champ, and beat a top 20 fighter all time in Jofre twice.

    You can't name me 100 better fighters than Basilio, accomplishments wise, at least. I haven't seen 100 more impressive fighters on film either.

    That's like saying without Roy Jones' wins against Hopkins and Toney he did nothing to get a top 100 place. And yeah I agree wiht you. But WITH those 2 wins, he makes it. WITH 2 wins over Ortiz, together with his solid performances over a long reign, Loi makes it.
     
  9. McGrain

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    And let's not COMPLETELY overlook the Perkins trilogy please. 1-1-1 it may have been, but Perkins was no slouch and Loi was past his best.

    I would have thought being booed out of the ring and then finding his way back with a victory over his nemisis in his final fight would have appealed to you very specificially TBooze.

    Maybe it's time for you to look again. I had him in the 60's last time and I have. I feel he should be higher than that. As for not being in the 100...
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    :lol:

    Be prepared for a bombardment of Frank Fletcher, Juan Roldan, Terry Norris, Mustafa Hamsho, Hector Camacho, Riddick Bowe, Tony Ayala and possibly even James "Hard Rock for Red" Green.
     
  11. Manassa

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    You still have a hook for a hand, depending on the day of course, sometimes it is a claw.
     
  12. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And there was the day I forgot I had the hook rather than the claw on, and took my eye out; so I got the patch as well.;)
     
  13. TBooze

    TBooze Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But that is part of the problem, I do not have Jofre in my top 20, thus Harada does not get the kudos you give him.

    Far East fighters are generally low down the list IMO, you do need to recognize the iconic status of a few of them, but I go out of my way not to rate iconic status in my all-time 100.

    Your knowledge of Far East fighters is brilliant and thus you will feel that you can place them in the top 100, I do not.;)
     
  14. Mantequilla

    Mantequilla Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Harada is a legit great though.He did more than enough to merit that distinction.

    He's not some local legend like Galaxy where the jury is still out on how good they were.