Why Oleksandr Usyk Is More Than Capable Of Moving Up & Dominating The Heavyweight Division.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Ah, I see, you're going by the official scores. Right? And they're never way of the mark in a fighters ho country are they? No, it cannot be argued that Briedis won, the only people who had Briedis winning either have no idea how to score a fight or are biased fanboys who want Usyk to lose in the worst way. A fight can have 12 razor close rounds, with one fighter edging all 12. Well this one wasn't even one of those types of affairs. No rematch is warranted. That being said, I've long been high on Briedis as well, and picked him to KO Charr back when no one had ever heard of him.

    Yeah he beat a CW Mike Perez, which is an in shape trim vastly superior version of the fat worthless slob that fought at Heavyweight, and since HW is 201, don't get it twisted, he fought a Heavyweight as do most Cruiserweights on fight night. Extra fat in most cases isn't advantageous to fighters.

    Live live Manny Charr? I'm far from a Charr fanboy, I couldn't care less about him, but to imply he has a terrible chin when he's been stopped thrice, once against Vitali Klitshcko, prematurely, and against Alexander Povetkin, is kind of being intellectually dishonest. Most fighters who step in the ring with those two never see the final bell of the 12th. As far as not having a huge punch, Briedis wouldn't know, Briedis fought excellency off the backfoot throughout, Charr barely touched him.

    Cool it with the patronizing tone, you AJ fanboys are getting a little too cocky for your own good, what's that saying? Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.;)
     
  2. Vykus

    Vykus ɹoolɟ ǝɥʇ ɯoɹɟ ʍǝᴉʌ ǝɥʇ Full Member

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    Lol, theres only one patronizing tone here lad, its the same one that echos cries and tears whenever anyone doesnt agree with their crappy internet scorecards. Im going by everyones scores, which happen to be pretty damn close to the official ones, and different from the one s#$t one that one fan has. Your the one calling a razor close fight which could be decided by a coin toss a clear victory for Usyk, when 99.9% of people disagree with you, and are calling a cruiserweight Perez a heavyweight. You bring irrelevant "Joshua fanboys" into the conversation because you know Wilder fans would be the only ones dumb enough to believe your tall tales. Get off your high horse, you know as well as anyone Usyk vs Briedis 2 is warranted and an instant sell, especially after Usyk beats Bellew and Lebedev and Briedis wins WBSS2, why anyone would think it would be a good idea for Usyk to give up his belts the second hes won them with a pipeline of big money cruiser fights in line is beyond me. Usyk becomes cannon fodder for the superheavies. Not big enough, not strong enough, some WSB decisions from the amatuer/semi pro days dont change that.
     
  3. Okin129

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    I have no doubt that he can be at least a top 5 heavyweight but i doubt that he would beat Wilder and Joshua at the moment, Wilder is too ferocious and powerful and Joshua is not an ordinary super heavyweight, he is pretty well rounded and can punch very hard, i don't think his WSB fights give any indication about how he will cope with them.
     
  4. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    The current atrocious heavyweight scene is ripe for a highly skilled Cruiser to come in and clean house

    It's a bum infested wasteland. Usyk would have a far easier time there than at Cruiser
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I don't give a flying **** whether you agree with my scorecard or not, its just obvious that you have an agenda to push and you're pushing it hard. Everyone's scorecards weren't 115-113, you're going with the ones that suit your agenda. I didn't call it a razor close fight, I said "A fight can have 12 razor close rounds, with one fighter edging all 12. Well this one wasn't even one of those types of affairs." Big money Cruiser fights? Oh my God.:qmeparto: Big money and Cruiser fighters are two things that will not be going together, not even in the foreseeable future. Bellew isn't worth a damn, he's not a big draw without Haye. No one cares about a Lebedev match, a Briedis rematch might be appealing to teh casuals, but no one else. It seems to me like you really really don't want to see Usyk move to Heavy.

    As far as the WSB fights, yeah, they do matter, no matter how much you try to pretend they don't, they had regular boxing gloves on, with no headgear, what exactly doesn't compute with most of you in that regard? For all intents and purposes, WSB are pro fights, with very little difference.
     
  6. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As I've said many times before: fighters that lose weight to make 200lbs will be fine at HW. Usyk doesn't need to change anything, and just by not having to train for a weight limit, he'll easily come in around 218, same intensity, speed and stamina. 225 wouldn't compromise him too much either. That's the perfect wight historically it this famed division.

    In fact, Gassiev could actually benefit from moving up, he's very young, very explosive, power comes from excellent weight transfer, fairly fast for the big boys has great stamina, 225-230 could work out well in 2 years or 3, extra power, a little less mobility, and it's not like them big boys will pull an Usyk and dance circles around him, peppering him with a zillion punches.

    Usyk doesn't have to do anything special to face Wilder, Joshua. He's got the goods and he's got the physical requirements as well. Extra power would help, but it's not like he's suddenly gonna find it at the attic or something.
     
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  7. Vykus

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    All the scorecards ive ever seen have been between 115-113 either way, your the one saying it has to be 116-112 for Usyk "At the worst".

    Agenda? :lol::lol::lol:. Dont give a wobbly who he fights, if hes gonna be such a dominant heavyweight, why not fight Jarrel Miller next? Surely Usyk has enough power to keep a 300 pounder off of him and crack Miller's small weak chin, Miller doesnt have the work rate to keep up with Usyk, why not fight him? Ill tell you why he wont fight him, because Usyk doubts his own power and chin against super heavies, why on earth do you think hes made a career at Cruiserweight since his WSB days and wants to fight Bellew next?

    Bellew vs Usyk is a big money fight, why on earth do you think both of them want it and are calling for it. To make lots of money.

    Lebedev is a Russian legend. Usyk is a Ukrainian superstar. Been paying attention to world events lately? Ukraine superstar vs Russian legend? Old champion vs new champion? This fight sells its self.

    Usyk vs Briedis 2. WBSS1 winner vs WBSS2 winner, 2 best cruiserweights in the best WBSS fight settling the score.

    Id rather see Usyk in the big Cruiserweight fights and fighting Joshua or Wilder directly to get paid than only fighting smallish heavies in a heavyweight career that would be anything but dominant.
     
  8. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Great work. That was Serge level posting.

    Brechlin also lasted the full distance against 6'6'' behemoths Hrgovic and the savage punching 250lb + legit KO artist Arslanbek Makhmudov and it's plain to see Brechlin was feeling the weight of Usyk's punches. It was Brechlin's corner who actually pulled him out to save him from further punishment, such was the one-sided nature of the vicious beating Usyk was administering to their boy. Whereas they never once felt compelled to pull him out when he was in against behemoths Hrgovic and Makhmudov.

    Here's a nice little HL vid of Makhmudov's savage KO power. That's AJ conqueror Mihai Nistor getting flattened at the start of the vid.

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  9. chico g

    chico g Let's watch some Sesame Street...lmao Full Member

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    I don't look too much into amateur fights. I still think the incredible Juggernaut Joe Joyce, would flatten Usyk in the rematch. Let see this light hitting cruiserweight have his first heavyweight bout first. Beat a Miller, beat a Ortiz. And see if he can really compete against the likes of , the bodybuilder Joshua, and the devastating bronze bomber! I don't even think he could beat the likes of Parker or Whyte, lol.
     
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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    It's a shame Usyk was robbed against Russo in the 2008 Olympics because he would've met Donkey (who beat a useless fat North African in the opening bout and only scraped by another North African controversially on countback in the in the next stage) in the next round. Had their paths crossed Donkey would've been knocked spark unconscious and carried the mental scars of it with him forever.

    The North African (Mohamed Arjaoui) that Donkey scraped by controversially against on countback also fought AJ in the amateurs and was trounced 16-7.
     
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  11. DanielDimov

    DanielDimov Jabbing all night Full Member

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    Best thread ever! Of course Usyk is capable to be a true champion in the HW division!
     
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  12. LeftRightDownThePipe

    LeftRightDownThePipe Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Lol most of the ones arguing that Briedis beat him are the same ones who argue Canelo beat GGG or Linares was. “Winning the fight against Loma until that stoppage!” :D They don’t really even count and for obvious reasons.
     
  13. Vykus

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    Close the distance, effective pressure, roughhousing, never letting him settle, Briedis wrote the book on how to beat Usyk, now knowing his soft hands, hed probably KO him in the rematch. If no rematch, no matter, after Bellew, Usyk is going to be offered either 300+ Miller or 255+ Whyte, or no Joshua. But you know as well as I we'll never get to see that either, as Usyk the 'heavyweight dominator' will be insisting on Chisora, Allen, Price or a Joshua payday straight away. The same ones arguing Usyk is going to dominate the heavyweight division are the same ones telling everyone Wilder is apparently already doing it. I like Usyk, he's no genuine heavyweight, but he's an excellent fighter, I wish him well, I hope he keeps the great Cruiserweight fights coming.
     
  14. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He just about came up top dog in one of boxing weakest divisions... went life and death with B level Breidis. Mark my words he gets slumped by any top five HW, possibly top ten :deal:
     
  15. Sergey Shubenkov

    Sergey Shubenkov Remember banned Full Member

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    He's more than capable, It's expected :deal: