Why Oleksandr Usyk Should Be P4P Number 1 Over Both Terence Crawford & Naoya Inoue.

Are you saying that Usyk didn't have a claim to be p4p #1 before the first Joshua fight?

 

1) I didn't imply any of that, you are attacking a strawman. Fighters go through things all the time and are almost never at 100%. Spence was still beating up contenders and champions after the accident.

2) Danny beat Herrera so that's a pretty stupid example. It was a close fight. Spence vs Danny wasn't even remotely close, he put on a clinic.

3) It isn't Crawford's fault if Spence was inactive.

4) Show me proof. A statement from Derrick James, his nutritionist, or Spence himself that he was too weight drained. This also isn't Crawford's problem. Spence has been at 147 his whole career and weight was never an issue when it came to him performing until his first loss. You can make that excuse for virtually every boxer who ever lived. All I see are attempts to diminish Crawford's win and I can use these same tactics for Usyk to make his resume look bad.

 

Bro, you're just burying your head in the sand.

Spence said he wanted the rematch at 154 no less than 4X at the post fight press conference. What does that tell you? You think Spence suddenly didn't care about Undisputed after hanging around that long at 147 for the Crawford fight?

Make it make sense.

 

No I am not. The p4p list is based on both the skill we see with the eye test and a boxer's resume within the past year. The list doesn't just remain stagnant factoring in fights from a long time ago. Again, you could argue Crawford was #1 before Spence and it's ludicrous to not have him there after Spence. Usyk rematching and beating a Joshua everyone knew he'd beat does not guarantee him a spot at #1 even if for the sake of argument that's where you had him before. Beating an undefeated unified champion Spence is a far superior win than beating Joshua for the 2nd time and that isn't up for debate.

 

I don't care what Spence said at a press conference. All I care about is what each fighter was rated at before the fight and who won. If he knew going into the fight that he couldn't compete at 147 anymore and decided to sign for the fight anyway, that's his fault. You're acting like Crawford drug a guy down from Jr. Middle with a catchweight clause, he was a champion at 147. Nobody had a gun to Spence's head.

 

Nope. Never said it was Bud Crawford's fault that Spence was drained and damaged goods. I just don't rate the win.

 

Then I don't rate Usky's wins over Joshua. We can do this all day if we're going to just cherry pick which wins we count as legit with the benefit of hindsight.

 

Herrera did not dominate the way Spence did whether you think he won the fight unofficially or not.

You guys are acting like Spence became Paul Williams after the crash and had been on a brutal losing streak with Crawford pulling a Canelo weight draining him. It's pretty funny.

 

Yeah, you lost me when you said Spence did as well as Thurman who won a SD and arguably lost.

Also hilarious you gave Herrera 117-111, the exact score that one of the judges gave Spence over Danny. For total punches, Herrera outlanded Danny 221-201. Herrera landed more jabs, but Danny landed more power punches. Spence outlanded Danny 187-117 and controlled the entire fight, landing both more jabs and power punches.

Just say you're biased.

 

Bring back same day weigh ins.. I bet we would then get a more realistic picture on who better fits that description .. P4P is an outdated concept , especially today with fighters using a 24hr+ hydration loophole. If Crawford had to weigh in on the same day he wouldn't make 147.. hed instead have had to be facing men like Bivol, GGG & Canelo. Can't say the same for Usyk.. he wouldn't weigh much more than he weighs in at under todays rules. Same with Inoue. They don't hydrate 20lbs overnight...

 

I just exposed you as biased so why not use a supposedly "biased" scorecard? You wrote a wall of texts tearing Crawford's resume apart desperately trying to make Usyk's look better. If Usyk's resume was THAT much better, you wouldn't need to tear down another fighter, it would speak for itself.

Now Thurman did better than Spence against Danny?! And you have the nerve to say your judgement is better than the judges...you need to see an eye doctor. This discussion is a joke. I'm done here lol.

 

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