Why Oleksandr Usyk Should Be P4P Number 1 Over Both Terence Crawford & Naoya Inoue.

Johnny1987 · May 23, 2024

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

Loma is not a pound for pound guy anymore! He lost to Haney. What next? Are you going to claim Garcia who knocked out Haney is a P4P guy?
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Shut up Olu

vast · May 23, 2024

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

Loma is not a pound for pound guy anymore! He lost to Haney. What next? Are you going to claim Garcia who knocked out Haney is a P4P guy?
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No, Loma is still clearly a P4P talent.

African Cobra · May 23, 2024

Johnny1987 said: ↑

Shut up Olu
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Make me little John.

Johnny1987 · May 24, 2024

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

Make me little John.
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Did i hear Lil Jon? YEAYAAAHRR OHWKAYY

Goran_ · May 24, 2024

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

Loma is not a pound for pound guy anymore! He lost to Haney. What next? Are you going to claim Garcia who knocked out Haney is a P4P guy?
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No one respects u. You have zero credibility.. you think Canelo won both GGG fights , Horn beat Pac , Ward beat Kovalev & Trinidad beat Oscar.. Haney got schooled in that fight, corrupt judging won him that contest.. weight grifting featherfisted diddy rent boy

African Cobra · May 24, 2024

Goran_ said: ↑

No one respects u. You have zero credibility.. you think Canelo won both GGG fights , Horn beat Pac , Ward beat Kovalev & Trinidad beat Oscar.. Haney got schooled in that fight, corrupt judging won him that contest.. weight grifting featherfisted diddy rent boy
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Why do you think I care what you think? As night follows day I have forgotten more about boxing than you have or will ever know. Let that sink into your brain. Correction I think Canelo won all the fights against lil g. He is the better boxer. Now I know that may upset you but I deal in facts not feelings. Horn beat Pacquiao so what several people have including JMM and Tim Bradley. Tito beat Oscar and Ward literally took Kovalev’s soul. The difference between us is I am right and you are dead wrong! Haney beat Loma full stop. 1,000 years from now the record books will still have it like that. I predicted Usyk will defeat Fury by knockout around round 9 /10 and he would have as well but for the referee’s interference. Now get lost.

African Cobra · May 24, 2024

Johnny1987 said: ↑

Did i hear Lil Jon? YEAYAAAHRR OHWKAYY
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Not Lil John but little john. When your elders and betters are speaking it would be wise of you to listen and learn. Loma did a good job against Boy George Kambosos but it’s clear he is past his best days.

Johnny1987 · May 24, 2024

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

Not Lil John but little john. When your elders and betters are speaking it would be wise of you to listen and learn. Loma did a good job against Boy George Kambosos but it’s clear he is past his best days.
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Whaaart? Yeaaayaarr ohwwkayy

African Cobra · May 24, 2024

vast said: ↑

No, Loma is still clearly a P4P talent.
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He was but that time has gone.

CST80 · Mar 2, 2025

This debate has been officially put to rest.

GlaukosTheHammer · Mar 3, 2025

Goran_ said: ↑

No one respects u. You have zero credibility.. you think Canelo won both GGG fights , Horn beat Pac , Ward beat Kovalev & Trinidad beat Oscar.. Haney got schooled in that fight, corrupt judging won him that contest.. weight grifting featherfisted diddy rent boy
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That's all true.

Also Usyk p4p #1 is an easy sell for me, sure bud. He's already an ATG and all that ****.

African Cobra · Mar 3, 2025

CST80 said: ↑

Inoue
Since I'm fairly well versed in the lower divisions, I can say unequivocally, he has one of the best resumes in the sport. To date Inoue is the first and in some cases only man to.. stop the vast majority of his opponents.

B Level
Nonito Donaire - Stopped in the division he was known for, so it counts for far more. Rigo couldn't do that. Nonito was fresh off great wins over Burnett, Young, Gaballo and Oubaali. This was a revitalized inspired late career surge version of Donaire. More B+.

Stephon Fulton - While a bit overrated, Still, he had wins over Brandon Figueroa (controversial), Angelo Leo, Arnold Khegai, Paulus Ambunda, Joshua Greer Jr, Isaac Avelar. More like B-.

Jason Moloney - Went on to rack up decent wins over Palicte, Astrolabio, Kaikanha and Greer. Had great showing against Rodriguez. Universally known as the good Moloney brother.

Emmanuel Rodriguez - Coming off of wins over Butler and Moloney, went on to take Gary Antuanne Russell's 0. Got big time robbed against Gaballo. A very skilled incredibly smooth operator.

Juan Carlos Payano - Stopped him in 1, something it took Nery 9 rounds to do later. Payano robbed of D. Roman win. Had wins over Rau'shee Warren and Anselmo Moreno. Brings a rugged brawling style, which Inoue never got to experience. Because he KO'd him with the first shot that landed

Omar Narvaez - Stopped him, something Donaire, Seda, Orucuta, Potapov, Carmona, Zaleta, Liriano and Tete couldn't accomplish. Because Omar beat all but 2 of them. Long time divisional stalwart, who knows how to survive and gives his opponent's fits. Inoue never even allowed him to establish a rhythm.

Jamie McDonnell - Stopped him, something Kameda, Ceja, Solis, Medina, Jamoye or Hall couldn't accomplish. All damned impressive wins for McDonnell. The good McDonnell twin.

Ryoichi Taguchi - Tough as nails, has wins over Milan Melindo, Luis De La Rosa, Albert Rossel, Landaeta, Barrera, and got robbed against Budler and Canizales. At the time, one of the top talents below Flyweight. One of the few to go the distance with The Monster.

C Level
Kohei Kono - Long time rugged journeyman, Inoue was the first to KO him, something Concepcion, Kameda, Tso, Solis and even Moloney legitimately couldn't accomplish. Best win, retiring Koki Kameda in the US.

Paul Butler - A vastly improved slicker version he reduced to running and surviving, coming off of impressive win over Jonas Sultan. Inoue is the only man to KO him other than Tete.

D Level
Ricardo Rodriguez - Stopped him, something Carmona, Quijano, Lozano, C. Narvaez and E. Rodriguez couldn't accomplish.

Yoan Bloyeux - So so journeyman, stopped only once in 46 matches, a feat even Carl Frampton couldn't accomplish.

Antonio Nieves - In reality, the first to beat him, he was robbed against Potapov. A. Santiago stopped him since.

Aran Dipaen - Mostly a stay busy fight, but he's a tough as nails journeyman, with great survival instincts.

Michael Dasmarinas - Stopped him for the first time in 10 years, coming off of career best win and performance against Guerfi.

Adrian Hernandez, Crison Omayao, Samartlek Kokietgym, Petchbarngborn Kokietgym and David Carmona, who are all top tier fringe contenders and journeymen, who only lose to the best in the division.

Usyk

A Level
Anthony Joshua x2 - Already said it all earlier.

Mairis Briedis - Scored brutal one punch KO win over Charr, brutalized Durodola, destroyed Glowacki. Dominant wins over Huck, Dorticos, Mann, and close but clear win over Perez. Skill wise, one of the top fighters in the sport. Sure, he probably should've lost to Gevor, but so should Wlodarczyk. Gevor is also one of the most underrated boxers in the sport. Yes he lost to Opetaia. But even that was debatable, it should've been a draw, and let's be honest, he won the war, literally mutilating and mangling the face of the young Aussie, who hasn't fought since. Jai looked like the Elephant Man after Mairis got through with him

B Level
Murat Gassiev - Murderous puncher, destroyed and retired Jordan Shimmell, dominated Denis Lebedev, brutally KO'd Diablo Włodarczyk and Yunier Dorticos. Moved up to Heavyweight, has barely broken a sweat, KO'd all four opponents he's faced fairly early and easily. It's a pity that injuries and being robbed of his confidence by Usyk has effected him so badly.

Michael Hunter - Before they fought, he only had wins over Isaiah Thomas and Jerry Forrest, after they fought, he went on to takes the 0's of Sergey Kuzmin, Martin Bakole, stop Kiladze, Ustinov and Maldonado. Then get robbed with a draw against Povetkin a match he clearly won. Sadly has stagnated since then and struggled with Forrest in a rematch. But the version Usyk fought was a beast.

Tony Bellew - Sure, Bellew has been the butt of many jokes, because he's an ass.... but aside from his losses to Stevenson and Cleverly, both of which are forgivable. As a Cruiserweight, he was an absolute beast. Picking up wins over Makabu, when it mattered, Masternak when it mattered. Avenged his loss to Clev, beat Brudov, BJ Flores, and David Haye times 2. This was a revitalized and reborn Bellew. Usyk ended his career.

Dereck Chisora - Sure the man has a ton of losses, but he was also coming into that match with a head of steam, with wins over. Price, Szpilka, Gashi, Takam and let's be honest, he was robbed against Whyte and robbed against Parker. He also lost to both of them as well. Then he avenged his loss to Pulev. If you don't belong at HW, Del Boy will find you out.

Krzysztof Glowacki - At the time, he was coming off of two impressive victories, TKOing Huck and ending his long time reign as Cruiserweight kingpin and beating USS Cunningham, who'd been on a hell of a roll up until then. Akso has a notable stoppage victory over the very underrated Matty Askin. Went on to lose a few times, but also rack up a few more decent wins, the one over Maxim Vlasov the most notable. Win over Glowacku hasn't aged gracefully, but Usyk and Briedis ruined him as a fighter.

Marco Huck - Having him at B Level is probably controversial. But even after losing to Glowacki and Briedis, he was also coming off of two fairly impressive wins over Dmytro Kucher and Ola Afolabi. Long time Cruiserweight kingpin, notoriously robbed of being the man to rightfully take the 0 of Povetkin, beat a who's who over the previous decade, although his win over Lebedev and Arslan were a bit shady. Still a top fighter who isn't close to easy to beat. Moved up to HW, won both matches.

Thabiso Mchunu - Sure, he'd been KO'd by Makabu, but he'd also UD'd Durodola and Eddie Chambers, KO'd Bolotniks, and went on a hell of a run, dominating Thomas Oosthuizen, Denis Lebedev who retired afterward, and taking the 0 of top amateur Evgeny Tishchenko. Most recently robbed blind in his split decision loss in his rematch against Makabu. This win is aging like a fine wine.

Joe Joyce - Sure it was a semi-pro, but also right before he turned pro. It was also a dominant one sided showing against the future Silver Medalist and absolute beast at Heavyweight after turning pro.

So yea.... based on name recognition, in the flashy divisions, Bud's resume seems impressive. But take a closer look, and that illusion quickly begins to fall apart. Especially when you take into consideration their accomplishments before and after Bud's victory over them. But Inoue's resume, is filled with several prime opponents sitting atop their divisions, not also rans or has beens and ironically, the only has been he faced Donaire, was in the middle of one of the more incredible late career resurgences we've seen in recent times. One that was a hell of a lot more with it and sharp than say... Errol Spence Jr. Regardless, the vast majority of his opponents haven't been compromised in some way and most he's been the smaller man moving up and dominating. As far as Usyk goes, at the time of his run at Cruiserweight, that division was easily one of the most impressive in the sport. With a murderer's row of undefeated beasts, fresh off of dispatching other undefeated beasts in the WBSS. To win that tournament, like Usyk and Inoue did theirs, were truly notable accomplishments, and ATG material, much like Andre Ward winning the Super Six a few years earlier. Accomplishments that should not be overlooked with callous indifference by most casual fans. Sure, Bud passes the eye test and is one of the current greats, but at best, his two standout wins, are over two guys with both feet out of the door and not one of his wins have aged gracefully. Inoue and Usyk on the other hand, most of theirs have, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Because they've faced most of their opponents in their primes and with zero asterisks.
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When Crawford beats Canelo to win the undisputed Super Middleweight Championship of the world having risen up from 135 pounds to 168 pounds you shall be forced to give him his due. As you know I am not a fan of Terence Bud Crawford especially as I am a big Erroll Spence fan.

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