good post, and you make some solid arguments, but i think you were unfair to manny by only mentioning 2 fights that are arguably outside his best 5 wins.
Good point, but manny 2 wins over Barrera and 2-1 annihilation of morales after the first fight loss, together with aniihilation of hatton, Oscar, cotto, margarito and whitewashing clottey and Mosley, all at welterweight, essentially the 7th division he campaigned in probably trumps any win that floyd have. If you think about it for a second, it's truly remarkable.
Maybe, but I just chose two fights that are high profile so as people can see how I came to my conclusion. If we were to analyze fight by fight it would be way too time consuming. I do however want to point out that 3G is being treated the same for not jumping weight. Let him dominate the division, that's what you're supposed to do. Sorry for being sidetracked but that was really bugging me. Anyways, I do respect Pac (a lot) just feel Floyd is better for the reasons mentioned before. Sorry for the grammar spelling ect...but it's late and I've had a long day. Good night.
Okay. Let's go through common opponents..... Oscar: Floyd>Manny Hatton: Floyd>Manny JMM: Floyd>Manny Shane: Floyd>Manny Cotto: Even. I only say this because CW's have significant effects on fighters. Broner was even able to knock down Porter who couldn't get knocked down by Thurman nor Brook but Broner was able too. Come on. The fact Cotto took a horrendous beating from Margo, a tooth and nail scrap with Clottey as well and a catchweight with most likely a rehydration clause pribably in effect as well. It taints Manny's arguably best or second best win. So it's even for me concerning Cotto. Maybe slight edge to Manny since we all hold Manny to a lesser standard than we do Floyd. Sure Manny was more exciting in his bouts, but those guys were in worse shape after Floyd beat those guys. This is undeniable fact. Floyd beat a better version of these guys I just named. JMM is the definitive measuring stick for Manny Pacquiao. Manny has never beat him convincingly. Otherwise he wouldn't of fought him 4 times and of course we all know who got the better of who in regards to rounds won and the clearest win in dramatic fashion. Nothing be said about that which brings me to my next point. Manny never got past JMM. How the hell is he greater than Floyd when you can't handle a guy who was toyed with and white washed by Floyd after damn near 2 year lay off? We also have to bring Bradley into the mix. Regardless if Manny was robbed or not in the first fight, the guy looked like **** against him and required a trilogy with even him. How does Bradley bring a better fight to the table than a Cotto, Hatton, Oscar, Margarito and Shane Mosley? It makes no sense. Why, because they were deteriorated. Bradley god bless his soul will never rank higher than those guys. He's no slickster so you can't put too much emphasis on his style. He's actually a very hittable guy who goes to war. Therefore, those guys couldn't of been close to their best so how can we honestly give Manny more credit for those wins. We can't. You guys sit here and talk about Floyd cherry picking. Manny gets a magical pass for cherry picking. Manny's pattern of opponent selection is even present as far back as Morales. He took an L on their first meet. Allows a year and a half to go by before re matching Morales. Btw, Morales can't make that weight anymore and he got whitewashed himself by Zahir. That's another tainted victory. Morales was able to troll Manny by fighting SP in the last few rounds in the first fight. Now the guy is getting utterly destroyed. Manny is a more hardcore cherry picker. This is why his fights sold less, this also pacified him from truly challenging himself up to the path towards Mayweather and why he ultimately fell short and barely netted himself a couple of rounds, tops. Anyone who gave Manny over 2 rounds is full of ****. He was never on Floyd's level, period. Floyd rematches close fights immediately. Manny took 3 or 4 years atleast before even re matching JMM lmao. That lets you know they were aware of Manny's shortcomings even back then. Let's even use Agapito Sanchez who ****ed Manny up but Manny got a gift draw because that one would require too much damage control for blantant robbery. He was countering the **** out of Manny. He was roughing him up too. Manny wanted none of that guy so he never avenged it. Next point, Manny is only good against one style of opponent. Floyd can handle more styles and is more versatile. A one dimensional fighter who lost in a head to head and has too many unresolved issues with other fighters cannot be ranked greater than Floyd. I understand I'm digressing a lot but I'm addressing you and a bunch of these other guys all at once. If Manny was held to Floyd's standard of measurement, not given passes and received just criticism just as Floyd has, everyone could've got a better fight than what we did and it would've occurred sooner and I would entertain half the **** you guys say in your criticisms but you don't hold Manny to the Floyd standard. You're all trying to give a guy something he never earned and that's why he fell short to begin with. I can go so in depth with this forever, covering so many details. It's too easy for me. Floyd beats Nanny on damn near every avenue. Even his haters were devout fans that supported Floyd more. Floyd fights sold more even when more boring as you guys say. What are we arguing here really. This isn't American Idol where common day people like you and me are the judges who vote who's better. Unfortunately for you guys, Floyd already has his place set above Pacquiao in the history books. It will never change. Just deal with it.
you think with my writing style i make it a habit to correct someones spelling? lol. look man, i see your point, but it was more than just the weight jumping, pac not only beat the man who beat the man, on his way north, he completely wrecked most of them... thats pretty dominant.
Actually Pac has the better competition at each weight. 112-Pac 122-Pac 126-Pac 130-Pac 135-May 140-Pac 147-Pac 154-May
Let's not forget that they were ATG fighters too. Barrera, Marquez and Morales. That is not just your run of the mill champ. Those are some of the very best and top fighters to ever lace up a pair of gloves.
There's only so much 'stupid' one can cure in these psychiatric cases. They rely on the forum to fulfil their all of their social needs too so they stink up the joint and don't make things about boxing here - I can only imagine they're members of that side-show, fringe society lounge to this forum. Bumping my Floyd Mayweather Never Dared To Be Great thread instead will be better.
Kinda like you who lives in an alternate reality your own world one in which you're king and what you say goes. You don't live in reality this has been proven time and time again you dont like to face the truth. Roach who's biased towards pac says pbf is greater you refuse to accept it but go back to your self created fantasy land where you can find solace like your pbf never dared to be great thread. The fact you recommend people view that thread as some sort of reality only proves how delusional you really are. You're a naracist with delusions of grandeur may God help you. You actually believe the stuff you write and believe if you say it enough it will actually become true. Not in this real world buddy sorry.
Got it, you're a clown. Instead of answering the question, you bitched out and starting talking about some other BS. It would've been more impressive if you'd simply owned up to your ignorance instead of whining like a ***** when you get exposed as the clown you are.
Are you going to man up and bring your ridiculous version of what P4P means or not? I've already given you mine. Pac and Floyd fought at the same weight class and Pac loss. Therefore, it's impossible for Pac to be ranked higher P4P.