Why people don't give proper credit for Calzaghe.

By 'everybody' you mean Roy Jones, right, as that's the only person discussed who that's any way relevant to?

Jones didn't seem to have any problems with fighting Woods, who had only fought in Europe and had no title, so one can only immagine that there were other factors in his reluctance to fight Calzaghe, risk/reward equation not perceived to be favourable presumably.

 

Roy Jones was more protected than the US president during the 1990's.

 

i dont like his boxing style it just doesnt appeal to me but thats fair enough i can live with that and still sppareciate what someones accomplished despite me not being the biggest fan...my biggest problem was the way he was managed a lot of noise was made over here about how good he was even before lacy and he made a lot of noise about wanting to fight such and such but you cant sit around waiting for the fights to coem to you you have to pursue and he just didnt either through not wanting to test himself or not wanting to travel...
plus take into account he won WBOgus belt (FWO as some call it) back in 1997 when it wasnt even really recognised as a major governing body so his title reign should be taken with a pinch of salt

 

woods = light heavyweight
calzaghe = super middleweight

if he did want to fight jones he should have done so, move up, make some noise(by making noise i don't only mean making noise in your own hometown, get your ass heard.. look at what witter did to hatton, he was calling him out to the point that he looks desperate enough. Now everyone knows hatton is ducking witter and whats funny is they're from the same country:rofl

 

Instead fighting mega fights against the likes of Harmon, Kelly and Woods?

It is a logical choice, Calzaghe represented a much tougher fight than Jones didn't need at that time. That's his choice to make.

 

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Roy would have never (not for a second) considered risk/reward with Joe Calzaghe .. he would have laughed at the idea of fighting Joe ... laughed .. same for Hopkins, Toney, etc. The thought of fighting Joe for pay would have seemed like stealing. No joking here either.

 

not only that, but perhaps joe didn't want to let go of that WBO title he had for 10 years, if he face jones he would have to relinquish it. And was he aiming for the guiness book of records? Longest wbo title ever held..thats a very good achievement:good

chris john also wants to have a guiness record by holding the WBA title, and perhaps he might beat joe if he holds it for 12 years

 

Can we take it that you'll take a consistent line on this if the Calzaghe/Pavlik fight doesn't come off and say that Pavlik should have moved up and fought outside the US?

Bit out of date on the Hatton/Witter meme by the way mate. Though I don't really know what the relevance was. According to Witter (before he got beaten), Cotto and Mayweather were ducking him as well by the way, you don't hear so much about that...

 

Of course he considered risk/reward. Unless you're claiming that Harmon and Woods were actually more dangerous opponents.

Don't know why you're still mentioning Toney as we've already established that the two were never anywhere near the same weight at a relevant time.

Hopkins, we know he didn't laugh at the idea of fighting Calzaghe, he negotiated the fight, then killed it and stayed at middleweight for Del La Hoya. Again, risk/reward at work.

 

well pavlik has not fought outside of US before, and to be honest a fight like calzaghe-pavlik would be more meaningful at the US. Both guys are already big stars imo, and HBO would have that in the US. Calzaghe has already fought hopkins in the US so i see no problem that he comes back and fight in the US again.

pavlik is young btw, theres still one meaningful fight left at his division, and that is abraham. I say abraham first before calzaghe.

oh btw, yes i haven't heard of witter talking that cotto and floyd was ducking him but perhaps thats because he was more eager about hatton thats why i hear more about it.

 

Benn, Eubank, Collins, Michalczewski...funny how none of those guys got to fight '' Elite'' USA fighters.

 

This is a terrible argument. Americans say that European fighters should fight in America not because of who is WATCHING, but because in America they would be able to fight a higher level of competition. Nobody cares how many fans watch them fight.

 

Wrong .. Harmon & Woods were after Jones had long moved up to LHW (2000 or so) ... Joe was a nobody at SMW so mentioning his name to RJJ would have made him laugh .. after Roy asked who the hell is that?

If Joe wanted to move up from SMW to LHW (7 lbs) to meet Jones or Toney or any real fighter for a one-off they would have laughed their asses off.

The Hopkins statement is also wrong in this context as Hopkins would have laughed at the idea of fighting Joe for money and would have taken it any time ... Hop and all these guys wouldn't even blink at the idea of fight 'white' fighters .. it was only late in his career that he was more concerned about his perfect undefeated record that he could have possibly given any thought to risk/reward in relation to JC.

 

actually cobbler, hopkins priced himself out of the calzaghe fight after originally agreeing to it and then went onto fight the mighty morrade hakkar instead. DLH didn't happen for another two years.