Why Prime Mike Tyson beats a 70s George Foreman

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  1. Ronnie Raygun

    Ronnie Raygun Active Member banned Full Member

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    Yea but unlike Tyson George got back up and ko Lyle when did Tyson ever get back up and ko someone(See Buster Douglas, E Holyfield Fights) I also want to add
    Why didn't a prime Tyson fight a Forty something Foreman scared ?
     
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  2. It's Ovah

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    So far a whole lot of hyperbolic nonsense from Foreman supporters. Predictable.
     
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  3. Ronnie Raygun

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    so far a whole lot of hyperbolic bs from nonsense Tyson fans such as your self
     
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  4. It's Ovah

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    Well Wlad would beat both, TBF.
     
  5. mike foreman

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    Youre not going to convince the "true believers" (TM) that a 6'6 250 pound SHW puncher could hit anywhere NEAR as hard as a 225 pound Foreman. Even if you compare film of their respective knockouts.

    Only Shavers and possibly God could rival George Foreman in punching power. Now excuse me as I return to my mantra because the more I say it the more true it becomesm

    The earth is flat......the earth is flat.....the earth is flat.....
     
  6. mike foreman

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    Plus Foreman was a good win for Ali, but he wasnt necessarily the most skilled fighter. Lennox Lewis would have easily been a tougher opponent for Ali
     
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  7. Ronnie Raygun

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    Ali would have whipped his ass too
     
  8. Ronnie Raygun

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    Ali and Foreman would have whipped waldo ass too
     
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  9. mike foreman

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    Because Tyson had already taken 10 rounds of punishment from a 235 pound SHW nailing him with combinations. If Lyle exhibited anywhere near the boxing ability and stamina Douglas did in Tokyo, he surely would have KO'd Foreman.

    I cant believe anyone can look at Douglas in Tokyo and Lyle when he fought Foreman and not come to the rational conclusion that at least on that night Douglas was by far more skilled than Lyle.
     
  10. mike foreman

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    Which one of my points are "hyperbolic" that film can't possibly be verified with film and/or sound logic?
     
  11. Ronnie Raygun

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    Foreman wouldn't have taken 10 rd to ko Tyson
    He would have done it in three
     
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  12. mike foreman

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    Lyle obviously was the exception as he went down from exhaustion as much as Foreman power. Im not denying his punching power but you all make it into godlike proportions when film doesnt show any such a thing.

    I can find KOs of Ruddock and Bruno that are just as vicious or even more so than anything Foreman ever produced of similar sized and similar levels of opponents. Should I go about looking because I can post film proof here?

    I mean yes his battering of Fraizer, destruction of Roman and KO of Norton was devastating to say the least.

    But I can think of more than a few heavies who if they had the opportunity to land the same punches on those 3 could get similar results to what Foreman did. Fraizer had seen better days and was overweight, cruiserweight Roman was plain overmatched and wasnt exactly the Holyfield of cruiserweights and Norton was starched by every big puncher he had the misfortune of meeting.

    None of that suggests he'd realistically just punch out a prime, well trained Tyson.

    Berbick was at least more durable than Norton and Roman. Does that mean he'd KO Foreman?
     
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  13. Perry

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    Berbick, Rudduck were highly flawed fighters. George not only had the power but intrinsic ATG characteristics of will to win and durability. Neither Berbick nor Rudduck were hwt champion of the world either. Rudduck was a one trick pony. Foreman was always working to set his opponents up setting traps using footwork and moving his opponents into position.

    I've seen many fighters train and fight. No one had the punching power of prime Foreman. This I am certain. Scary power.
     
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  14. Saad54

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    Prime Tyson beating prime mid '70s Foreman is far from a given.

    Mike could slip the jab, but Foreman would have a great shot at landing uppercuts on Tyson. Tucker landed a great one and Mike took it. But, Foreman had much greater power than Tucker. Tyson had a good chin. He could probably take a few, but if Foreman lands it repeatedly I think he could hurt Tyson.
     
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  15. mike foreman

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    Why do you keep ignoring the fact that for all of his punching power he greatly struggled with Lyle...IN A SLUGFEST! Thats where Foreman is supposed to shine. This wasnt some elusive, skilled mobile boxer type Foreman was fighting. Lyle wasnt exactly the 220 pound Floyd Mayweather Jr.

    Prime Tyson was everything Lyle wasnt.

    Are you telling me that if we made the following improvements to Lyle that Foreman would actually find him EASIER to beat. What if we made Lyle:

    Faster of hand and foot
    Improved his chin making him less susceptable to early knockdowns
    Made him a quick combination puncher
    Harder punching with better timing
    More elusive and defensively sound

    So with those improvements Foreman finds it easier to beat Lyle because Tyson had all of those improvements over one of a 70s Foreman toughest and hard to beat opponents.

    A washed up Fraizer made it 5 rounds in a rematch just by using a little head movement

    Jimmy Young took some flush shots from George Foreman and we see what happened there. Why didn't he immediately fall over?

    Look at the Scott Ledoux fight. He didnt just drop dead when hit clean by Foreman.

    Why would a peak Mike Tyson?

    The only reason you try to insist that it would happen (and you have no historical evidence of Tyson ever being stopped early no matter how big the puncher) is because you know that a Foreman win hinges on exactly that.

    If Foreman fails to do that, Tyson would make him regret the day he was born. There really would be no other alternatives for him to win and the only way he sees the last bell is if he pulls a Bonecrusher Smith and hugs and waltzes until the final round.
     
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