Why Prime Mike Tyson beats a 70s George Foreman

mike foreman · Sep 14, 2017

Eddie Ezzard said: ↑

There was an article in Boxing Illustrated in 1989 on how to beat Tyson and several great trainers were asked how it could be done. They looked at the chances of Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Ali and the no1 contender at the time, Holyfield.

Nowhere was the name George Foreman mentioned. There is so much talk on this board of how Foreman would 'obliterate Tyson in two,' 'depacapitate him with an uppercut', 'bully him in a man v boy scenario'. Yet when Tyson was unbeaten after three years and 9 defences and names from the past were being suggested, Foreman's never came up.

It begs the question, if it is such a given that Foreman would have won against prime Tyson, what was the point of the article? It should have just said, 'be George Foreman'. The fact is that Foreman wasn't that highly regarded after his first career. He was a yardstick for untapped potential and the greatness of Ali.

Since then, it seems to me, that overall Foreman's rating benefits from the best bits of both careers. You can combine the best bits of both careers in judging his overall greatness - the youthful ferocity and (relative) speed of Mark1 and the ring IQ, strength and control of Mark2 . But you can't conveniently add the best bits of one version to the other while retaining the original advantages, when judging how either version, be it Mark1 or Mark2, does H2H.
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Yeah Tyson was levels above Foreman. I think no one wants to believe Tyson would beat one of Ali's best wins more convincingly than Ali did. But I'm going to slay more sacred cows and make a thread on why Tyson starches Sonny Liston. Which he would.

mike foreman · Sep 14, 2017

Vanboxingfan said: ↑

Tyson might win but l highly doubt Foreman would ever be relagated to just another Tyson victim. That's just bandwagon talk. There are several scenarios in which this fight could play put and certainly a few of them result in Foreman winning. I'm a year or two older than Tyson so l was around when he was in his prime and trust me everyone thought he was indestructible up until the time he wasn't. So boxing is hard to predict and a lot of it is mental and l have no idea how he would react if this fight turned into a war but l did predict that Holyfield would beat him before they fought, mostly based on this lack of rounds and the quality of his opponents leading up to the fight.
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Anything is possible, but not anything is probable. The whole idea of Foreman beating Tyson relies on him pushing and shoving and making Tyson fall with an uppercut or two. Much lesser fighters survived what Foreman could dish longer than many think Tyson would. And Tyson H2H is surely one of the best ever. Lyle taking clean shots from Foreman and not automatically falling over tells me Tyson wouldnt

And even the fresh out the joint 1996 version of Tyson would stop Lyle as quickly and easily as he did Bruno, unless Lyle did lots of holding.

mike foreman · Sep 14, 2017

GALVATRON said: ↑

Cus was talking to a then 15 year old Tyson...Cus knew Tyson wasnt a slugger nor close range fighter ...he was mid range one and calculaated from that distance to go in for explosive combos.. People are too oblivious to actually study fights on here... lol
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He was talking about the Dempseys, Marcianos and Fraizers of the world anyway. Foreman would more appropriately be matched against Dempsey rather than a young Tyson.

SambaKing · Sep 14, 2017

Me thinks "Mike foreman" is Fergy making new accounts again to create Tyson threads.

mike foreman · Sep 14, 2017

Glass City Cobra said: ↑

Size and strength:

-Tyson has the advantage in 3 categories with one slight advantage.

-one category even.

This would be a very close fight either way. They are evenly matched in some ways and were both aggressive and vicious. Tysons speed, technique, and slight stamina advantage means he will have the advantage in the first 3 rounds. As long as he is focused, sticks to the gameplan, and stays alert and defensively responsible there is no reason why he shouldnt win at least 2/3 rounds.

However, unless Tyson manages to seriously hurt, drop, or stop Foreman things would only go downhill from there. As stated above, Foreman was more courageous, was the bigger man, had the better chin, and Tyson power faded rather quickly after the first few rounds. Additonally, their styles would clash very quickly. Tyson is a short who ironically couldnt fight very well on the inside. Foreman would be mauling and pushing and slugging if tyson kept coming right at him. Neither man could fight backing up, so if they both keep colliding and the smaller man is the worse of the two up close, foreman would quickly turn things around.

Tysons crouching and weaving means he will be susceptible to uppercuts, one of Foremans most powerful tools. Foreman would not let him off the hook and he would not stop punching. Even if tyson uss his superior defense and had movement, he cant win rounds or mount an offense if hes constantly facing a barrage of punches. Counter punching would be suicide. If he can patiently wait for Foreman to gas himself out, he could come back and stop him sometime in the middle rounds (5-7). However, Tyson was never the most patient fighter and would be more than willing to trade and take one to land one as seen in the thomas and ruddock fights.

Basically, it boils down to who can establish the pace of the fight with the first big bomb or combination. if Tyson plays it smart and doesnt blow his gas tank early, he can either stop foreman at the halfway point or win a decision. But if he gets wild or brawls with foreman it lilely doesnt end well for him.

In Foremans case, if he can keep Tyson at long range, busting him up with the jab and setting up his uppercut as Tyson charges in, he'll be in for an early night. If he can roughhouse and slow tyson down with body blows and ripping hooks on the inside, he will severely discourage him and eventually get the ko by the 4th round.

Overall, Foreman wins 6/10. Too strong, immense willpower, bad style matchup. Tyson has a very good chance and many tools to win, however he will more often than not lose the mental edge and miss the chance to use them. I could easily see him fighting foremans fight and losing despite being the better technician and defensive fighter.
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What do you think would have happened if the Tyson who beat Ruddock was in the ring with Lyle, the first puncher Foreman ran up against? Tyson had a similar layoff before Bruno 1.

The Lyle debacle would have happened in any case. And I hope we can agree that 88 Mike Tyson >>>>> Lyle in everything.

Rumors abounded that Quarry was avoided because he worked Foreman over in sparring. If he hated Quarry's counter punching, he'd detest Tysons.

mike foreman · Sep 14, 2017

SambaKing said: ↑

Me thinks "Mike foreman" is Fergy making new accounts again to create Tyson threads.
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Im Donald Trump

JohnThomas1 · Sep 14, 2017

Eddie Ezzard said: ↑

Good on yer, cobber. You can always be relied on for a sensible, articulate opinion. But the best thing about you is that you are among that rarest of breeds that get my jokes.
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I thought it was a ripper lol

I especially love word play jokes

Perry · Sep 14, 2017

Mike has no idea what he is writing about.

The Foreman who fought Lyle was George at his worst. It has no bearing on a Foreman at his best vs Tyson except the end result which would be a Foreman KO.

Aside from stylistic advantages Foreman had ATG will to win that Tyson always lacked.

GALVATRON · Sep 14, 2017

mike foreman said: ↑

What do you think would have happened if the Tyson who beat Ruddock was in the ring with Lyle, the first puncher Foreman ran up against? Tyson had a similar layoff before Bruno 1.

The Lyle debacle would have happened in any case. And I hope we can agree that 88 Mike Tyson >>>>> Lyle in everything.

Rumors abounded that Quarry was avoided because he worked Foreman over in sparring. If he hated Quarry's counter punching, he'd detest Tysons.
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Thats not a rumor foreman admitted to ducking Quarry. He even feared Shavers bc he thought he hit to hard.This is how gullible fighters can be when over run by hype without the internet age that they can study and see around them more. lol

I actually had to show foreman why he was the better fighter and harder hitter than shavers that he changed his mind ,it makes you wonder what these guys are looking at for real? lol

But hes going to intimidate Tyson?

mike foreman · Sep 14, 2017

Perry said: ↑

Mike has no idea what he is writing about.

The Foreman who fought Lyle was George at his worst. It has no bearing on a Foreman at his best vs Tyson except the end result which would be a Foreman KO.

Aside from stylistic advantages Foreman had ATG will to win that Tyson always lacked.
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Foreman does well against the Mercers and Bonecrusher Smiths of the world even the Michael Moorers and Bert Coopers. A young Mike Tyson too skilled too fast too powerful all in 1 package.

mike foreman · Sep 14, 2017

GALVATRON said: ↑

Thats not a rumor foreman admitted to ducking Quarry. He even feared Shavers bc he thought he hit to hard.This is how gullible fighters can be when over run by hype without the internet age that they can study and see around them more. lol

I actually had to show foreman why he was the better fighter and harder hitter than shavers that he changed his mind ,it makes you wonder what these guys are looking at for real? lol

But hes going to intimidate Tyson?
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If he ducked Quarry, would he even had fought Tyson in the 1970s? Especially after witnessing the destruction that he would rain down upon a hopelessly overmatched and helpless Jerry Quarry.

Perry · Sep 14, 2017

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GALVATRON · Sep 14, 2017

mike foreman said: ↑

If he ducked Quarry, would he even had fought Tyson in the 1970s? Especially after witnessing the destruction that he would rain down upon a hopelessly overmatched and helpless Jerry Quarry.
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There would be no way around Tyson bc Tyson would be the foreman of his day and thus a huge road block for Ali and co. to follow suit. Quarry wasnt a killer,he was a tough slugger who also cut easy,why foreman ducked him? who knows. Everyone talks up MENTAL toughness?

Tyson wanted to destroy anyone who was lined up next even went out of his way to fight Ruddock a guy that makes Foreman look small and he hit harder..and fought him teice out of voluntary decision bc he wanted to show Ruddock was not the boogeyman everyone ran from including Foreman.

Perry · Sep 14, 2017

Stupid. Rudduck was not 5% the fighter Foreman was in his prime. Rudduck had one punch....a left hook/uppercut which is the worst blow to try to load up vs a hooker like Tyson. Rudduck a nothing. Foreman an ATG. Note the difference.

swagdelfadeel · Sep 14, 2017

mike foreman said: ↑

Anything is possible, but not anything is probable. The whole idea of Foreman beating Tyson relies on him pushing and shoving and making Tyson fall with an uppercut or two. Much lesser fighters survived what Foreman could dish longer than many think Tyson would. And Tyson H2H is surely one of the best ever. Lyle taking clean shots from Foreman and not automatically falling over tells me Tyson wouldnt
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No offence but you really need to study boxing a bit more. As this just sounds like nothing but fanboy talk.

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