Why punch output doesn't mean ***

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Sebastien, Apr 15, 2008.


  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Anyone who thinks Calzaghe's workrate won't drop is a fool. Hopkins is the best in the game at getting people to fight his fight and Joe will be no different.
     
  2. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Winky threw his punches on technique...which is a hell of alot easier to get off when you do so in that right...yet it didnt matter. Movement like Bernard's (lateral movement, keeping his opponent off balance) is literal poison for output. Speed or no speed.
     
  3. Bodysnatcher

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  4. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    That's from memory, but ya, I'm pretty sure it's right.
     
  5. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I never predicted a winner. I just said Slappy ain't gonna walk through BHop like so many seem to think he will. However, something about the countdown show now makes me pretty sure about 43 year old Hopkins defying the odds one more time.

    Boo
     
  6. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Ive touched on this more than a few times. Its one thing to be hit by a hard puncher....its another thing to be hit by a counter punch that YOU NEVER EVEN SEE COMING!!! Im not saying this fight will end in KO...I definately dont think that (tho I would not be surprised to see Joe get caught off balance and suffer a flash KD...from a punch he never even saw). But its not about knocking him out...its about making him think before attacking...its why NOONE throws alot vs Bernard, not only is his movement amazing (lateral movement and general footwork), but he is so accurate, so good a counter puncher, has such phenominal timing, that Joe WILL BE HIT ALOT CLEANER THAN HE IS USED TO....and in turn, he WILL be weary of plunging in head first...therefor his output will drop.

    So many factors in this fight that Calzaghe fans havent seen before in the same ring as their man....you guys are in for one hell of a shock.
     
  7. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    Man, now I'm starting to have doubts. I didnt see the punchstats on the uk broadcast but I wouldve thought the connect percentage was much higher.
     
  8. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    It was very low....without looking it up, 28% is what I seem to remember as well.

    This is the biggest thing people are not taking into account. Hopkins by far...and I mean FAR the best defensive fighter Joe has ever faced...as well as the best counterpuncher. He has the best movement and footwork, the best timing, the most accurate, the best chin, etc. All these things are stylistic nightmares for a fighter like Joe.

    Output and speed are easily negated by movement, timing and counterpunching (not to mention that he is also the dirtiest fighter Joe has faced as well...which will come into play in reducing the workrate).

    Imagine if Joe misses 72% of his punches Saturday night (we wont even go into the fact that Hopkins is 100x the defender Kessler is)? How many counter shots do you think will land for Bernard with Calzaghe's defensive deficiancy? How clean will he be able to land them?

    I better stop...Im starting to rethink this whole Bernard by stoppage thing I have been totally against.

    :hey

    (Im kidding...Im kidding....kinda ;) )
     
  9. MancMexican

    MancMexican Blood & Guts Forever Full Member

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    I've been favouring JC by a close UD up until now but now I think I'm undecided upon hearing that statistic.
     
  10. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    High punch output with Calzaghe's accuracy, speed and unpredictability is everything.
     
  11. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Stop with the accuracy thing....his accuracy is terrible. He is a phenominal fighter...one of my all time favorites...but for once in your life, be realistic.

    :patsch
     
  12. Koa

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    Good points about counters. Punches effect different fighters in different ways. Generally, if you don't see it comming, dong expect it, its going to stun you and keep you honest. Kessler throws shots right down the pipe, you see them comming and he dares you to be able to take them, if a fighter allows Kessler to keep his outside game going, that particular style will wear any fighter out and eventually you are caught with something big.

    Calzaghe is going to break the gap and overwhelm inside. Its hard to beat a fighter like this because when he gets inside he just keeps punching. You can counter, but because he's so close, the punching power is going to be nullified for the most part.. So, it seems hopkins has to stop Calzaghe from comming in, will back pedal a lot in order to keep countering opportunities which doesn't sound like a good game plan.

    Best way to beat Calzaghe imo is to beat him at his own game. Fight with him inside, and be better than him on the outside. Be willing to fight him wherever the fight goes, make it ugly. Hop is a bit old for that type of fight.
     
  13. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe's natural co-ordination is awe inspiring. No other fighter in history could throw the number of punches Calzaghe does whilst maintaining such a level of accuracy.
     
  14. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    Apparently you are too young to remember a fighter by the name of Pernell Whitaker.

    :patsch

    AND JOE DOESNT HAVE GOOD ACCURACY!!! LEAVE IT ALONE!!!
     
  15. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe has everything, except high bone density in his hands.

    Calzaghe landed 29% of his punches on Manfredo, even after slapping Manfredo's gloves 50 times for the stoppage!