Why should Wlad lose millions not facing Chisora coz Haye didn't sort out his mando?

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BigBone - what do you think of this theory. Something that's been in my head, and I know we share different opinions on the subject so I'd be interested to know what you think.

There's no real fall out, the fight is all set for later this year and everything is agreed in principle, hence that latest negotiations.

Wlad fights a ridiculously low risk walk over in Chisora, freeing himself from the current RTL deal, leaving him free to negotiate a new TV deal in Germany. This deal will obviously be FAR more lucrative than the current one as it includes a guaranteed fight and potential rematch against David Haye. This easily brings another couple of £million to the pot, which will be split down the middle.

(Remember, Hayemaker were really not happy with splitting everything 50:50 considering the disparity in value between Haye's Sky deal and Wlad's RTL deal)

In the meantime Haye gets his mandatory against Chagaev out of the way (providing his is deemed fit) and clears the path for the fight and potential rematches and fight/s with Vitali.

As much as people discuss the bad blood between the two parties, they are no mugs. They are very shrewd in the money making business, and they know full well that they both need each other for both their career high paydays and their career defining fights. There is not way that either party would sacrifice this kind of money over some 'he's said this, he said that bull****'. These are grown business men, not kids in a playground.

Of course, neither party can come out and admit to this, so they let the plan play out, both parties blame eachother for the lack of a fight, the bad blood continues and probably intensifies and the public interest remains, or even grows.

Looking back everything (bar the Harrison fight) that Haye has done since the 2009 fight that fell through because of Setanta has served to make this fight even bigger. He has secured himself a World title and a lucrative PPV contract. His conduct means you now have even more people who want to see Haye get knocked out. ****, we've even had Wladimir Klitschko making youtube videos calling David Haye a *****!

This fight happens in 2011 and the collapse of Setanta turns out to be one huge blessing in disguise for both fighters (who knows, maybe even Vitali :yep)

Now, am I mad?

Does this not make a tad more sense than (and even explain) the whole 'Haye's a fraud/Wlad's a ducker' bull****?

 

Ant, the promotion for this fight is more or less done. I mean, it's been happening for almost a year and a half already! Yes they'll have their tours and press conferences, and it's more than likely the July 2nd date will be pushed back a bit. But why should this be a problem? Why are everyone acting as though July 2nd is the last and only date available to make this fight? Haye, with his retirement issue, is being very restrictive.

 

Haye is the one to blame not Wlad. Why just don't he take his fight with Wlad in July? He got his mandatory with Chagaev. Do it in March or make it a regular fight or delay the Wlad fight in august or October before his birthday. Why should Wladimir lose money for not taking the Chisora fight and stay inactive for 10 months because Haye decided his retire time.

Lets say Wladimir didn't take the Chisora fight and went straight with the July date with Haye and then lets say Haye pulls out of the fight for any reason. Wladimir would have wasted more than 10 months of his boxing career and not getting payed and Haye just withdraws from the fight.

Haye walked away of the fight and not Wladimir. The blame is on Haye.

 

I really don't think it's that much of a trick. Think about it, if this was the case the situation is Wlad fights Chisora, Haye fights Chagaev and they may fight down the line. The only difference is you either come out and admit what's going on, which would be a PR disaster, or you continue to slag each other off in the media. There really isn't much to hide.

Maybe just throw in some half assed negotiations with another fighter (read: Adamek) to add some authenticity and keep people talking and Bob's your uncle

 

Yeah I agree, Hayes retirement time-line is causing a problem aswell...he's left it far too late to come to an agreement, and he's in a rush now.

However, I don't understand Wlad...he has been chasing Haye for months to get the bout, he finally gets the bout he wants, gets Haye to agree...then risks the bout with a pointless bout. 9 months out of action is a long time, but it isn't that long that he needs a tune-up...especially considering the shape he is usually in, it's not as if he is lacking motivation for this bout.

It may come across that I'm defending Haye in my posts, but I'm not...I just don't understand Wlad's action in taking a bout that has no interest whatsoever.

Also, I kind of disagree about the promotion side of things...this bout has been promoting itself for a while. But the casual fan needs drawing in, Wlad will need to rest, promotional tours alongside training camps...it doesn't work for me. You're right in saying that the date could be moved back, but if Haye has finally agreed to fight you...why put the bout in jeopardy?

 

You know what there was this odd interview with Wlad in November or December of 2010. I think it was with Sky Sports. Wlad said something along the lines when asked about Haye "You know, Haye and his manager Adam Booth. They think they're so smart. They think they're smarter than everyone else. They think everything happens just the way they planned it."

He didn't explicitly say anything like "I am going to derail Haye's plan" or anything, but in hindsight I wonder if Wlad feels he can rain on Haye's "I will retire in 2011" parade and just spoil his party just like Haye did with Wlad in 2009.

 

Yeah I seen that, on Ringside. I think it was more to do with what was going to happen in the bout. But you never know, especially when Haye has been saying he is going to retire in October whenever he has been given the opportunity to. :good

 

Because Wladimir and his team have always been under the impression they could fight Haye in April. The when the time came to sort the deal, they were told April wasn’t available, and that they’ll have to wait another 3 months – July. That’ll be 10 months he’ll be inactive for. So he thought he’ll take that initial April date they had planned, and have a glorified sparring session with Chisora. The main issue for them is they don’t want to be inactive for that long. Having a tune-up fight is harmless. I don’t see it as a risk at all. It jeopardizes the Haye fight in no way what so ever. Haye’s making it a problem when it shouldn’t be. He can have a tune-up of his own, and meet Wladimir at a later date. Wladimir is probably laughing for forcing Haye to change his plans.

 

Or they could have fought in May at a UK venue... but Wlad didn't fancy that did he?!

 

I guess so, but if I was desperate to get someone in the ring as much as Wlad seems to want Haye. I'd ignore the inactivity, recover from the injury (maybe the "Wlad faked his injury" makes him want to take out Chisora...), get myself in top shop...and knock Haye out in July, now that he finally has him. But that's just me.

If Pacquiao could get Mayweather in the ring, I'm sure he would think nothing of 9-10 months out of the ring. The motivation alone, and the magnitude of the bout would get said boxer in amazing shape, no rustiness, etc.

 

First off stop blaiming Wlad the fights happening if you think this tune up is gonna kill the fight your wrong its too big to happen

Why would he wait all the way til july to fight long lay off before a big fight is never good

Wlad takes a tune up Haye pulls out yet Wlad is the ducker?

Haye had all this time to neat Chag and he fights once in a yr long period vs a guy he beats in 3 rounds and your telling me he cant mangage a Chag fight in that space in time

if Haye is any good he would beat Chag

Plus lastly If he cant get Wlad now get Vitali if he beats Vitali Wlad will go right for him cause the bros have always avendged a brothers loss minus Lewis who retired if Haye beats Vitali I'll bet the house Wlad agrees immediatley

 

Who gives a **** about the mandatory! Its not like Mayweather or Pac need a belt to draw the biggest fight in boxing history! Same thing goes for Haye vs either Klit brother, the belt is not needed and they both can draw one of the highest grossing fight in HW division. Just drop the damn belt and fight Wlad. Or Wlad just man up and skip Chisora and fight Haye. Like they mentioned before, Chisora/Adamek and rest of the bums are not going anywhere!