Something that baffles me is people's attitudes towards boxers that know when to call it quits. Take BJS or Dubois for example, both took a lot of punishment on their eyes, and made the choice to fight another day instead of risking career ending injuries. It's ironic because those same people will also go on about it being a tragedy when something really serious happens to boxers. I personally don't see anything wrong with knowing when enough is enough. Thoughts?
It's a fine line tbh, no one wants to see a fighter go out without trying at least, unless they're totally outclassed or receiving unnecessary punishment round after round. Plus, a journeyman quitting is routine but someone doing it at a high level rubs lot of people the wrong way. Saunders/Dubois is a special case, Dubois miffed people by mocking the blindness of Joyce's mom and Saunders did so by claiming he'd go out on his shield and fight till death unlike Dubois who quit. Now it's all trash talk at the end of the day but these were a bit too specific so people call em quitters just out of spite.
Vitali Klitschko also held the quitter tag for some time courtesy the Byrd fight where he had to give up despite being way ahead on cards because of shoulder issues, he removed the tag the hard way by proving that his heart wasn't to be questioned at all in the Lewis fight.
The problem is, the guys quitting lately have been giving other fighters grief for quitting. So we like to see karma reap it's rewards. As for quitting itself, if a fighter quits due to lack of heart, it is a long road to walk back from.
Well Leeroy following on from your correct statement then the only conclusion has to be that MMA fans are more intelligent than boxing fans or have actually been in there ...
Not necessarily, but boxing sure does have a lot more fanboys, which in turn leads to hatred of other fighters and the term "quitter" being used just to bash the opposition. If I'm honest, I think if a boxer fight until the point that he fears his career/life is in danger, then takes a knee/doesn't come out of his corner... He should be applauded and encouraged to have a speedy recovery and look forward to having them back in the ring again. A quitter to me is someone whos "just had enough", or says "no mas".... The issue is when fighter fein injury to get out of the ring. Fighters will always use injuries as excuses, im sure it happens in the mma too.
Wel Leeroy , TBH my post was tongue-in-cheek but I agree primarily but the "No Mas" comment is a touch to risqué for me to agree wit( you maverick you)...good luck with it though lol...
Pretty much why I haven't cared for MMA from the start. Lots of big talk followed by lots of quitting as soon as someone puts you in a hold that might do damage. If you're afraid of getting snapped in two, don't hop in a cage with a raging guy trying to snap you in two. If you're afraid of taking a beating, don't get in the ring with a guy trying to pummel you unconscious.
In the context of an individual fight, definitely true - it's somewhat of a tautology, but undeniably true. In the context of a career... It just depends why that particular fighter quits and how often. If you've got serious facial damage and are forced to quit (Dubois and BJS mentioned here already) that's not quitting because you're a loser, it's quitting because you've already lost (and taking further punishment serves no purpose at that point). A quit that's a bit harder to defend is one where it's not clear whether you've lost or not - AJ's loss to Ruiz is a good example, it looked like AJ was on track to get knocked out or so comprehensively outpointed from that point in that he realistically wouldn't have won, but the risk in terms of lasting damage is not the same as a major injury, nor was he completely incapable of knocking Ruiz out to win that fight... That quit being revenged with a shutout in the second fight helps somewhat (avenged losses are always better than unavenged losses) but still doesn't completely excuse it. Then you have the really pathetic quits - the ones where a fighter simply doesn't want to be there and would rather take an early dive for their paycheck (we can all name examples of this) than actually try and win... These ones are the truly disgraceful ones, the ones that shamelessly rob the fans of their ticket money.