why such dislike for ali?

VINCE V,,,,,,,,,,

Excellente',,,,,,,,on stating your point....What is forgotten is that he did love the fans.

 

Why not ? they brought him wealth ...

 

Wealth that he was going to share with all those around him


Ali never cared about money on a basis of selfishness. I wonder how some of us would act if we had access to the type of money he was seeing.

 

He does get a bit overrated as a fighter. Well, not so much overrated overall, but others are UNDERrated next to him. It's become sacrilegious to suggest two or three other heavyweights were arguably as great as him. It's become sacrilegious to suggest his opposition wasn't LIGHT YEARS better than, say, Marciano's.
And his prowess in his prime years has become exaggerated too. Some people will claim he was virtually untouchable in 1966 and dominant to the extreme, but when I review the Cooper rematch and the Mildenberger fights I see a champion with distinct weaknesses just like most others.

 

From standpoint of records I do think Ali and Louis are in a class of their own at HW.

 

Quite right. It makes me laugh when people say that Ali is overated. If Muhammad is overated,with names like Liston,Frazier and Foreman on his resume,then every other heavyweight champion must be overarted,also.

 

Ali is the GOAT

Deal with it White/Old/Against the grain type people

 

In the 'time machine',

Cassius Clay was in the right place, and at the right time.
And the new man Muhammad Ali, in 1964, was in the right place, and at the right time.

Perfect timing,,,,,,,,,,very advantageous.

 

Rez,perfectly human to LOVE money.

 

In unguarded moments during some of his last coherent televised interviews, Ali himself commented when viewing archival footage of his earlier life that he felt he was looking at a stranger, a ghost, that it was somebody else doing those things he was watching. His personal view of himself doesn't appear remotely as self-exalted as his public persona. (His role model Gorgeous George was actually a shy man in real life, and used liquor to bolster himself to become his ring character. George Wagner's alcohol abuse damaged his liver, leading to forced retirement in 1962, and his death at 48 from a heart attack the following year.)

The end justified the means. He displaced Dempsey as the wealthiest figure in boxing history (and maybe Sonia Henie as the highest earning of all athletes, although her then all time record of over $40 million may have been out of reach even for him-I don't know.) Discussing his career at the press conference where he resigned the WBA championship in 1979, he reflectively commented that, "I wouldn't say I saved boxing. I would say I revived it though." This is actually true, as his 1970s title fights brought back the million dollar earnings and box office of the Dempsey years.

 

If the man arrived on the scene 10-years earlier or 10-years later, the political chatter would have been a non-issue.

Then, he would be classified as simply, one of the best heavyweights of all-time.

His arrival on the scene, was perfectly placed in the 'time capsule', which I do think,
in retrospect, does make a few of us jealous.

 

BB, with the utmost respect, while it may not be a pleasent trait, what did he do wrong by being a braggart? or by joining the black muslims? Is is against some law from back in the day that im unaware off?
There are boxers who im not too fond off, but i dont go on a witch-hunt like some (not you), i tend to try not to run a guy down. But surely you gotta admit that some guys are going over the top "he called him names!! Burn him!!!", what is this? A frankenstien movie? A childrens playground? There are murderers and rapists mentioned on these forum who dont get as much **** as Ali. I mean, look how many threads recently have been made. Its laughable!

By the way, where did anyone post lies about dempsey? Maybe i missed a post or 2 but all i saw was people giving their interpretation of things. Hardly a crime, and it was done in a constructive way.

 

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"brothers over bitches" was certainly their philosophy in berserk.



anyway I think people dislike ali mainly for his cockiness and his political and social veiws its pretty simple.

He is so popular that he gets is the target of the flack, now however he is seen as a legend, "The greatest" that ever lived you would have to expect some backlash.

look at Tyson, he was not political but his popularity coupled with his behaviour (criminal behaviour and the rest) made him very disliked. If he wasnt so popular he would probably not be so reviled by some.
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