Why the criticism for Pac not wanting to fight at welter

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  1. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    because most people on here are idiots thinking its so simple to jump from division to division....pacman fought most of his career in the 120s and down

    he fought as recently at super featherweight in March of 2008. now he is supposed to jum 3 divisions in one year and take on monster welterweights because they are calling him out? it was a huge deal not long ago to be a real 3 weight division champ . now they want this guy to jump up 3 divisions in one leap. people are just ignorant on here
     
  2. MacManJr.

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    Very well said my friend.
     
  3. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee Loyal Member

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    we're used to him going up in weight and not fighting African American fighters and their style.
     
  4. Soriano

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    A trainer discussing who his possible opponents are and the scenario for such fights is zillion miles different from Pac calling them out for a fight. Roach did not call them out, he only answered questions asked of him.

    I agree w/ you that if Pac called them out, he has to go up and fight them. The fact is, he did not. Look what Marquez did, he called Floyd and he agreed to whatever Floyd imposed on him.
     
  5. SAS2

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    and JMM is a fool for it, and will pay for it.

    Pacman has fought most of his career at a very light weight class. to rag on the kid ofr not jumping up to 147 or 154 is just plain ignorant.
     
  6. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see most don't agree with the **** throwing but I guess in every lot theres the naysayers.

    When have you ever heard Pac mention any welter on his own.Any time you here these match ups the challenge is simply coming from the biggers guys.
    Why would a naturally much smaller guy have to meet them at their weight when they call for him.

    Sure I'd like to see him fight them at their weight to shut up any doubt and like I said I think that he would have a very good chance against any of them.

    The fact is if they want the fight they need to come to him. This carchweight bull**** is a mere way of saying I'm sure you do want to fight a much smaller man at 47. In which you would hold nearly all physical advantages.But lets level the field and see if you still want it on even ground.

    Watch the way Pac has been lately in higher weights he doesn't stand and trade like he once did. He's moving much more and doing alot more boxing against the bigger guys.
     
  7. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He's said before and after Oscar that welter was a one fight deal and he was definitely going back down in weight to stay.
     
  8. homebrand

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    No, it doesn't.

    Manny fought DLH at 147 because Oscar was at best a light middleweight, and Pac was a lightweight. This made 147 the logical weight to have the fight - it was right in between.

    Now if 147er's are calling out a 140 lb Manny, then it seems quite obvious they should do the fight at either 140 themselves, or more realistically a catchweight somewhere in between.

    Why the hell is this a hard concept to understand?

    Manny is a great fighter, but at the end of the day, he's a small guy. He's done well against bigger opposition so far, by pumping himself up, but there's only so much weight you can put on that frame and still be at the top of your game.


    If 147ers want to fight him, it's entirely reasonable to fight him at a catchweight, to suggest otherwise doesn't make any sense unless you want him to lose. If they are unwilling to meet him in the middle, then don't bother calling him out.


    All Roach is saying is if you want to fight his man, you have to meet him in the middle. If Pac was to take on another light middleweight(!), that fight would probably happen at 147 too. If it's a full blown welterweight, then the fight happens around 143/144. It's a fairly simple concept to understand, isn't it?

    All theses people saying he's already fought at 147 and so there shouldn't be any problem doing it again are talking nonsense. Any fool should be able to see that the DLH fight was a fight between fighters several weight classes apart, with 147 being the agreed weight in the middle.
     
  9. texican

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    first of I think I can consider myself a pac's hater to a degree cuz I think he's a product of great match making and some excelent management, not taking anything away from him he's gotten much better over the years.But this time I cannot criticize him for not fighting the best welters,because they are the ones calling him out just because he had only one fight at that weight,however if he goes and ends up fighting Chavez jr.at jr.middle then get ready to take all the **** in the world for not fighting the best welters.:think
     
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  11. J.R.

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    I JMM beats Mayweather, Pac might not have to fight at welter because most likely scenario would be a 3rd fight with Marquez at jr. welter. :nod
     
  12. DobyZhee

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    it would be JMM/Mayweather 2 most likely
     
  13. Soriano

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    Another boring fight? JMM/Pac is the best fight to complete the trilogy.
     
  14. renyo

    renyo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That may be right.But we all know how much Marquez wants a win on his record over Pac . I think he then goes for Pac. A fight which made more sense to begin with then send May back to welter where he belongs to scrap it out with Cotto and Mosley.
     
  15. Nestea

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    Before Haters laugh at Pac jumping to another higher division and they said Pac will lose.

    *In the end Pac jumped more divisions and kept winning*

    Now Haters wants Pac to jump more division so they could see Pac lose.

    *In the end PacDBest will get the biggest laugh at all the haters, and haters gonna run away again*

    Amazing achievement of Pac.