Why the disparity in viewer scorecards?

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  1. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    If you pricks want to know who really won a fight, just ask me. I'm the most unbiased scorer ever.
     
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  2. hpsauce91

    hpsauce91 Member Full Member

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    It's all subjective, you can also argue the 3 ringside judges don't always agree either with their scorecards.

    It's boxing people see and appreciate different things and then score them accordingly
     
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  3. ryuken87

    ryuken87 Active Member Full Member

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    Personally, I would remove the most subjective criteria (ring generalship, effective aggression, and defence) and leave punches landed in as you can at least quantify it.
     
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  4. tealt

    tealt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    They really dont use those criteria. It's mostly clean punching. Sometimes it co.es down to quality vs quantity.
     
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  5. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Shout out to Byrd :risas3::risas3::borra2:
     
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  6. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    If scoring was as easy as we believe there would be no controversy at the end.

    I have a bad tendency of giving the guy who lost the last two round the next close round and not sticking to just scoring that particular round:duh

    I like aggression even if the guy lands less, again my own flaw:duh, so I try to remind myself of my flaws when scoring then I overthink he whole round:risas3:

    I enjoy the RBR scoring here on ESB because everyone looks for different reasons to award a round to certain fighters.

    Each round should be scored apart from previous rounds but I fall into the trap of HE is doing better so in a close round HE most likely gets the nod from me.


    Good topic
     
    Bustajay, Mar 16, 2019
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  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    my whole philosophy on combat sports is that it exists as a simulation of actual combat. in combat, the objective is to disable your opponent, not land more strikes. thats the meat and bones of it. the artistic part comes in how you choose to go about disabling your opponent. if the only info im getting from the fight is # of punches landed, then obviously, the only available data shows that one side was farther along in working to disable the other, so he wins the rd. but what if one guy lands 10 jabs, but the other guy lands just 1 hook at the end of the rd that sends his opponent stumbling to his corner? i think the hook shot him ahead to the objective, which is to disable your opponent. i wouldnt carry that point over to the next rd, but he did the most damage in that particular rd.
    thats why i sometimes predict stoppages after a fight starts, i can see who is taking hard damage even if he looks to be landing more.
     
    bandeedo, Mar 16, 2019
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  8. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Being an old Army Infantrymen I go for the KILL:detenido::cop1:
     
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  9. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    hooah!!!
     
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  10. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    I agree Kirk but how do you explain professional judges handing in ludicrous cards like Adelaide Byrds 118-110 for Canelo over GGG & the 118-110 for Floyd over Pac ??? Then you get Bob Bennett saying "Adelaide is one of my best judges she just had a bad night" LOL C'mon
    I think we can see where the problem lies
     
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  11. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    11-Charlie
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  12. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Oh I was only referring to fans.

    When judges have those type of scores imo its blatant corruption.
     
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  13. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    hey, i used to jump with a 60 mm i believe. well, not me personally, we took turns jumping with the baseplate. its been so long, i would have trouble disassembling an m16.
     
    bandeedo, Mar 16, 2019
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  14. james5000

    james5000 2010's poster of the decade Full Member

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    I usually score a round minute by minute.

    All things being equal in the landed vs thrown stakes I do favour the guy who controlled the majority of the round.

    A bloke that tries to steal a round in the last 20sec needs to make it clear imo.
     
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  15. Bustajay

    Bustajay Feel the Steel/Balls Deep Full Member

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    Me too bro
    SPORTS
    Slap
    Pull
    Observe
    Release
    Tap
    Squeeze
     
    Bustajay, Mar 16, 2019
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