Why the insistence that the USADA do the testing?

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  1. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Honest question- why is this the sticking point? Why is camp Mayweather stuck on the USADA (and their parent entity, WADA) performing the random testing with refusal to negotiate to another testing organization? Sure, WADA is what tests for the Olympics- but what does that really say if the Olympics themselves aren't clean? Here's a post I made in another thread about it I don't want buried:

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    And alot of people in the Olympics are still dirty in my opinion. WADA does the best they can, but it's a game of cat and mouse where the mouse is always one level of technology better. WADA still has to deal with the same competitive disadvantage every other testing org. does- that they have to wait and discover the substance first, and that more money always goes into the hands of people who create things that are undetectable. In order to reverse that paradigm at least somewhat, they would have to find enough money in their annual budget to actually create PED's before anyone else did and then develop a test for them- which opens up a whole other ethical can of bees*.

    That's another post for another day, though. The point is this: WADA still hasn't gotten a positive HGH test out of any Olympic athlete. So, either there's nobody over the past few Olympics who's used it, or they can't catch them. Take your pick.

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  2. jeffem

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    they are the best out of a bad bunch
     
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  3. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    If someone wants to cheat, they are going to cheat, you can't stop it.
    It is up to the fans to trust someone based on their track record and the evidence. Innocent until proven guilty.
     
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  4. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    But the problem as I see it is, the people already burying Pacquaio because there's holes in the Nevada testing will simply point to the holes in WADA's testing as well if he took it and passed it. Without an organization with literal bulletproof testing, which is impossible, the argument that Manny cheated the tests can never be really put to rest, whether that's WADA or not.
     
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  5. SoxNation

    SoxNation Well-Known Member Full Member

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    They are the best. The NSAC's testing is filled with nothing but holes. They give urine test an hour and a half before the fight and immediately after the fight and that's it. There's a whole lot of time to cheat if you want to besides then. WADA would give you 8-10 random urine test and 5-6 random blood test in a ten week span leading up to the fight. Blood test can read things urine test can't, so it's better to use both tests.
     
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  6. ku_las

    ku_las Active Member Full Member

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    USADA is not worthy for pro fighters, they only do amateur athletes... And the crazy thing is they will come to do the test anytime and as many times they want, they might do 48hrs before the fight..that's crazy... Pac camp agree's to do the test at least 3 times at the Press con, 30 days before and just after the fight. But, Floyd camp won't agree to that...
     
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  7. GregDempsey

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    dude your a moron...somehow they are not worthy because they only do amateur athletes. that has nothing to do with the scientific methods they use, or who runs the organization, they are the very best...your clearly not to bright, if you think that because they "only do amateur athletes" that some how makes them into scientific and medical amateurs
     
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  8. ku_las

    ku_las Active Member Full Member

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    **** you greg, then why they dont use the NFL or NBA organization to the stuff then...cocksucker...
     
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  9. GregDempsey

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    good point....you could easly "cycle" your roids around the NSAC testing....i know plenty of just dumb muscle heads who could tell you exactly how to do it....and Manny's strength and conditioning guy would definitly be able to figure that out. The random testing done in the olympics would be much much much harder to cycle around.
     
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  10. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Did you read the article I linked to?

    WADA has zero positive HGH tests from their blood test.

    Guess what Pac's going to get accused of being on should he pass WADA's testing? It will move from being something the NSAC can't catch to something WADA can't catch. There's no winning that kind of witch hunt.
     
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  11. GregDempsey

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    **** you as well..but to answer your question..the NFL has a much better steroid testing policy then any boxing commission...but they are a internal organization, they have a union that they deal with, and they do their testing on their own..having said that, their testing is NOT AS GOOD as the Olympic testing, here is a article to prove it...it talks about how their is talk in the NFL to RAISE THE STANDARDS OF TESTING to the Olympic level, please read it before you comment again. http://www.boston.com/sports/footba.../nfl_seeks_to_upgrade_steroid_testing_policy/
    that is from 4 years ago, however the NFL still does not have as through testing as the olympics...as for the NBA...nobody talks about roids in the NBA, so the NBA just does some basic testing...plenty of these pro organizations would love to have the guys on roids if they could...it makes for bigger meaner athletes...just look at how long it took MLB to get any kind of decent testing in place....and their tests still suck compared to the olympics....baseball was fine with roids..because it gave lots of home runs..until public pressure and government pressure finally forced them to do something.


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  12. SoxNation

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    Why won't Pacquiao take the random test?
     
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  13. GregDempsey

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    I read your article...what it says is no testing is perfect, and that the way to make tests more full proff is to have multiple tests..the olympic style testing would do that....maybe pac could still slip through if he was using HGH, but it would be HARDER using olympic methods then it would be using nevada methods

    from that article
    “Although those tests have come in competition, we are confident that as out-of-competition testing increases, we will have positive results,” Barroso said. “And if we don’t have any positive results, then we will know that there is no growth hormone use and we will be happy.”

    so while it isnt perfect, I would say testing throught training camp..not just right before the fight, and right after the fight..is the way to go....olympic style testing does it throught the "pre competion" nevada doesnt at all...so it is much much easier to skirt nevada..
     
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  14. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    Because he doesn't want blood drawn at any given time while he's training for the biggest fight of his career.
    If there is a problem with the drug testing, it needs to be taken up with the Nevada state athletic commission, not manny pacquiao personally.
     
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  15. dilayro

    dilayro Active Member Full Member

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    unless you call him a super human first.
     
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