Why the Klitschko's are unappreciated?

Why should he face him again? He won. Close fight? It ended in the 6th.


Vitali injuries were real when he retired the first time and the second time he could have done anything with the WBC belt. Haye then Stiverne..He has Sulaiman in his pocket. Stiverne is being blocked by DK the same guy who tried to block Byrd-Klit2. Nothing to do with Vitali. Vitali ducked Haye after a promise to fight him

 

Vitali started strong and got two rounds in the bag but punch stats show that he was hardly dominating - he only landed 54 more punches than Lewis did despite throwing almost double the amount of punches overall. Lewis was clearly landing the cleaner and more effective shots from the 3rd round onwards but Vitali picked up a couple of rounds on workrate. The way the fight had changed from the opening bell is clearly shown in the 6th round, where Vitali isn't hurting Lewis but instead is getting batters around the ring and is reduced to stumbling and scrambling after Lewis trying to clinch to avoid giving Lewis any room to throw anything clean.

Undoubtly Vitali did very well in the fight, but it was not a dominating display after the opening two rounds and Lewis was more than matching him for most of the fight - not on workrate and stamina perhaps but definitely on accuracy and effectiveness of punches. Therefore to categorize this as a "lucky escape" for Lewis is to ignore the facts of the fight itself.

As I previously stated, Lewis was at a stage in his career where he was looking for easy opposition that he could fight for good money to wind down into retirement. He did not believe that there was any fighter in the world that could trouble him and believed both Klitschko's to be substandard and easy pickings. Vitali proved him wrong, and he had no desire to go through it again.

It wasn't that he "knows he cant get lucky 2ce", it was that he had no desire to go through a war again - which he would have to in order to beat Vitali - and he wasn't sure he up to the task anymore.

 

Because Lewis chose to stick around for eight months as WBC Champion afterwards and Vitali won a mandatory shot. Lewis was Champion, Vitali was mandatory, thus the fight should have happened a second time. If Lewis had retired in the immediate aftermath of their fight then the case might be different.

Throughout 2005 Vitali had ample chance to fight Rahman, and at least one point was dubiously claiming to be injured because when Rahman was committed to fighting for the interim title Vitali asked the WBC to let him fight someone else on a date a month after the interim title fight. The injuries that caused him to retire at the end of that year may, indeed, have been real but some of his conduct during that year puts serious question marks against the legitimacy of his claims for the whole year.

Vitali three times asked the WBC to put back the deadline for accepting Stiverne's mandatory bid, and then it was postpone when he claimed injury. Stiverne might be having problems with Don King, but it was still Vitali who asked for the deadlines to be delayed and asked for the postponement and its still Vitali who was avoiding a mandatory fight.

 

Your right it seemed Vitali didn't want to fight Rahman for some reason. I'm not sure why I think he would have beat Rahman. Maybe it was a control thing. The Klitschko's seem to be control freaks. Vitali wanted to fight Brewster instead so when to WBC said no he acted like a little cry baby and retired. Vitali sat some of his best years out for no good reason. Wlad has the IBF and WBO in full control. He tells them who he wants to fight for a easy payday and they make it happen. Pulev is not that great but he is better than Leapai so Wlad will take the easier fight as he always does. Wlad and his ****** fans hyped Boystov and got him ranked by beating no one so he would have another easy win and claim Boystov was so good but truth is he was so bad he could not even beat tomato Leapai .

 

Your agenda is so transparent, give it up bro.

 

klinchkos aren't really boxers. they should be in mma or lion tamers at a circus. triple G and provo are my favorite boxers by far.

 

Vitali was clearly ahead on the cards when the 6th round ended, I dont dispute that, but it is the tendency of his fanboys to act as if this was a one-sided beat-down and he was robbed by crooked judges or referees or doctors or whatever, and behave as if he loss was the greatest injustice in the sports history.

The fact of the matter is, he was ahead because he dominated the opening two rounds but the last four rounds fought were close and evenly distributed on the cards - Lewis got round 3 and 6 on two cards and round 5 and 6 on one, while Vitali got rounds 3 and 4 on one card and rounds 4 and 5 on two. And this is why I say that Vitali did no better against Lewis than Mercer did. Both were ahead on the card after 6 rounds in close competitive fights.

Calling Lewis's victory a lucky one is kind of degrading to his performances. You can say Vitali was unlucky to be cut - though I would believe it more if he suffered one cut and not several - but you can't say he was unlucky to lose control of the fight and to have three competitive rounds then clearly lose the last one fought. Lewis was more than competitive enough throughout the last four rounds of that fight to deserve credit for it, for it to be recgonized they he was able to match Vitali and that he started to get on top when the fight was stopped, and not to have his efforts that night ridiculed.

This is also something I think does no credit to the pro-Klitschko argument. Accusing Lewis of being "**** scared" or Vitali. He was not.

Lennox should have retired after he fought Tyson. It's clear by his lack of interest in training after that fight that he was not dedicated to the sport anymore and didn't want to put the effort in, that he had somehow convinced himself that there was nobody alive who could trouble him and he could get by with minimal effort and simply ease into retirement at his own pace.

Stuggling with Vitali was his wake up call. That fight made Lewis realize if he stuck around he was going to have to have more difficult fights against younger, hungrier and more dedicated fighters and he couldn't just coast by without proper effort and stay on top.

He was wrong to stick around for eight months afterward but I think he hoped for one last easy payday before he stepped down. When Vitali won the mandatory spot in December 2003 that hope ended and he walked away before the WBC stripped him.

This bit, I have no issue with.

 

Whether he ducked Rahman and Stiverne or not, the fact remain that he spent around eleven month between his fight against Williams and his retirement in 2005 inactive, and he spent around sixteen months between his fight with Charr and his retirement in 2013 inactive, and did not give either man the opportunity they had earnt.

Now, the case for being more forgiving towards Vitali for this can be applied more to the Rahman situation because he did start and end that year riddled with injury problems - though the issue of why he tried to fight someone else when Rahman was committed to the Interim Title fight would still make some of his injury claims questionable - but he didn't fight Stiverne because he was more concerned with his political career, and was stringing Stiverne and the boxing world along for months while he just invested himself more heavilly in politics and paid lip-service to his obligations to the WBC, so I have no sympathy whatsoever to him where his sixteen inactive months during 2012/13- nine of which included having a mandatory - are concerned.

 

He said he wasn't fighting for the remainder of the year. Klitschko was mandatory for the first fight,loses,faces KJ then becomes mandatory again. Why should he give him another rematch. Non sense.

Hmmm..They were suppose go at it after kirk johnson fight but very interesting i'll look more into that later..

 

Man, understand those are Brits you're dealing with, you can't imagine the amount of butt hurtness these sad souls have had to cope with after the two Ukrainians giants kept on slaying their contenders.
No wonder they try to rewrite history and blow the Lewis "win" out of proportion.
They don't even believe the nonsense they're spitting, they just try to save face, which they miserably fail to...:-(

 

This post makes the most sense and is the most accurate. In a sense, Vitali could claim a moral victory in that he did give Lewis an unexpectedly hard fight and was ahead on the cards when the fight was stopped.
He had won the support of the crowd and he showed his willingness to fight on had he not been forced to retire. So...he could claim moral victory.

But the result was an entirely fair and justified stoppage in favour of Lewis. There can be no debate that the fight was stopped fairly. So Vitali could claim a moral victory but Lewis got the victory that mattered at the end of the day.

 

Welcome to Planet Klittard, where winning a fight by making your opponent bleed like a stuck pig with hemophilia is a "controversial stoppage".

 

i don't rate Holmes that highly and i did do a previous thread explaining why i thought Tyson was better than him

 

difference is, Briggs was Foremans last fight before retiring. Holmes boxed on for another 10+ years after Tyson knocked him out

are you trying to downplay Tysons achievemts by comparing him with Briggs?

 

You are also probably thinking that Tyson won Holyfield fight after biting his ear off? :nut