Why the Klitschko's are unappreciated?

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I agree totally, even though you called me out for race baiting, for not including black boxers on one of the many best looking boxer threads.
     
  2. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks. I rescind what I said about you earlier. Your opinion in and of itself wasn't racist. It was just a reflection of the Eurocentric ideals of beauty that dominant western culture. It's natural for people who live in these parts( I'm assuming you do) of the world to think that even on a subconscious level without holding overt racist beliefs.
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Thanks, but I live in multicultural Miami, yet I still have Eurocentric views on beauty, just personal taste nothing more. Although I love Latinas and Asians.
     
  4. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    Klitschkos usually get knockouts, but fight fans hate knockouts, esp. when their heroes are the ones getting knocked out......................
     
  5. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    they are appreciated for what they do, but you gotta figure in that when you are tag teaming with your brother to avoid getting KOed in 2 rounds by 38 year olds, then that's not a huge amount to appreciate. It in fact sets the bar much lower than any other non-bitpart hw champ in history.
     
  6. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1- Skin color
    2- Nationality
     
  7. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    and because they set the bar so low, their fanboys have to then raise the bar artificially by posting threads like ' Wy are the K bros unappreciated?"
     
  8. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Larry Holmes got a lot of the same **** as well.

    One major reason, which is rarely mentioned is that that klits came after a largely popular and remembered era. The 90s, although Tyson wasnt what he once was, he was the face of heavyweight boxing up until maybe the Lewis fight.

    Same as Holmes, he was hated because he came after Ali.

    Even Holyfield and Lewis were un appreciated for large amounts of time, wholly because they came after Tyson

    Obviously there are other factors too like race etc

    an interesting question would be, what if Wlad had come straight after Holmes era? Would he have been more respcted? Less respected?

    put it this way, whoever comes after the Klits will probably have an even more difficult time trying to get respect and recognition , hell have to please the American and eastern European publics
     
  9. Mendoza

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    I think this a poll rigged for negativity. It must bother the trolls. The Kiltschkos dominated a decade. Deal with it. :)
     
  10. Farmboxer

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    Klitschkos are the best heavyweights in the world today, they can beat any fighter in any weight division....................................
     
  11. Cinderella Man

    Cinderella Man Deleebr 'eem into mahands Full Member

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    All of the two above choices. ALL of em.
     
  12. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the klitschkos did "go abroad" and that's what made them who they are today - words from the mouth of max schmelling if you've seen the documentary
    the reason they are 'under-appreciated' today is tied in with US networks losing interest in the HW division
    it's fickle, but making excuses for german (or german-based) fighters to not go to the US because they might get "robbed" is rich, considering the career sven ottke made getting rich at home without ever testing himself against the best.
    he's spawned a real franchise in Germany because of it.
    just ask sturm, huck and steiglitz and, to a lesser extent, abraham
     
  13. VVMM

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    1.This blah-blah about wladimir's skin color is a myth.
    Who cares? The boxing is a big business.The money talks who cares this "white hope"
    ****? I think the klitschko business doesn't work well and some klitschko fans look for the
    mistake in different things.
    2.I think lots of klitschko fan are racist.The majority of the population doesn't prefer
    the racism.
    3.Lots of klitschko opponent are/were total crap and out of shape.WTF this is a sport,
    isn't it? Of course some klitschko fans deny this.
    4.For example Wladimir Klitschko's all time head to head height advantage is a bull****.
    It's very irritating.
    - Ok he beat the skinny glass- chinned Haye by UD.
    BUT the 40 years old 6' Carl THompson knocked Haye out.
    - Yes he knocked the 39 years old Mormeck out.
    BUT the 6' O'Neil Bell knocked a younger Mormeck out.
    - True he beat Chambers.
    BUT the 5'11(?) Mchunu beat Chambers also.
    - He beat Chagaev.
    BUT the 6'2" Povetkin did this also.
    - Yes, he beat a faded Rahman.
    BUT 5'10" Tua beat a better Rahman.
    - Ok he beat D.Williamson by TD5
    BUT the 6'1" Mesi knocked Williamson out in the first round.
    - True he beat Leapai (wtko5)
    BUT the 6'3"(?) bum Oui beat Leapai also.(wtko4)
    - He beat Tony Thompson.
    BUT the 6'2.5" Takam beat Thompson also.
    - He beat a very fat Botha wtko8
    BUT the 5'10" faded Tyson beat a better,younger Botha also.(wKO5)
    - Ok, he beat a 41 years old Mercer.
    BUT the 42 years old 6'3" Holmes beat an ubeaten,better,younger Mercer.
    - Yes he beat Byrd.
    BUT the 6'2" Ibeabuchi destroyed an unbeaten Byrd.
    5. What's the main reason the Klitschko's unpopularity?
    I think their some fans.These idiots hate every great old-timer fighter(especially the
    black ones) and they talk shits about these fighters.What expect these ******s?
    Will we like the klitschkos after this behaviour?
    6. All in all **** you and go to hell idioitic(not the intelligent ones) klitschko fans
    like the demented Foremanjab"-job".
    7. At last.I don't understand the moderators.Why don't wanna ban Foremanjab and
    other irritating, disgusting persons?
     
  14. Mr. Iron Chin

    Mr. Iron Chin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You have a small *****. Your obsession with the size of fellow menfolk is quite telling.
     
  15. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Klitschkos aren't appreciated (at least in the U.S.) because the heavyweight division has stagnated under their reigns. And it's stagnated because for the better part of 10 years we haven't seen the two best heavyweights fight each other.

    There have been plenty of eras when there weren't a lot of good contenders. But, at some point, the heavyweight division matched the "perceived" two best at a particular time and it resulted in a huge event that brought everyone back.

    The heavyweight division hasn't seen the (perceived) two best heavyweights fight going back to Lewis-Tyson, Lewis-Vitali and even Vitali-Sanders. People loved those fights. They generated huge pre-fight excitement.

    After that, Vitali retired. Then Wlad started collecting belts. Then Vitali came back. Then they were both clearly the best ... but would never fight.

    So you've got two guys who are head and shoulders above everyone, and they were never going to meet.

    As a result, people lost interest, and people blamed them for it. You can understand and appreciate why they didn't fight each other, but at the same time you can also blame them both for why there were no super fights in the division, too.

    A whole generation of fans have come to the sport since 2003/2004 who have no first-hand knowledge of what it was like to see the two best heavyweights on the planet fight each other ... and the excitement those kinds of bouts generate.

    The Klitschkos are blamed for that ... and justifiably so.

    Now, one is gone.

    Let's see how everything shakes out.

    I think long-time fans can't wait for a big heavyweight "Super Fight" again. Younger boxing fans could care less, because they don't know what they're missing.

    But when you have the two best heavyweights fighting, and the winner is arguably the guy who can beat any other man in the whole world ... not just anyone below a "catchweight" of 150 pounds ... It's kind of a big deal ... and it's why the heavyweight division has always been so important to the overall popularity of the sport.