Why the money argument is wrong

If it's about money, Jake Paul deserves a shot more than Wilder.
In fact, even without money, Jake Paul is a better choice than Wilder.

Wilder is so bad, it beggar's belief.

 

Giving Wilder the next shot is on a par with giving Dillian Whyte the next shot, fresh off his Moses Itauma performance.

Might as well give Shannon Briggs a shot.

**** it, let's book Mike Tyson - for the real money.

 

Sadly, when you command money, you can do as you like. We are one level away from awarding fighters with twitter-war belts.

 

Wilder brings no money to the table, everyone knows he's shot, he was never a mainstream star in his prime.

If Usyk-Wilder sells big, it's because people love Usyk, nothing to do with Wilder as a draw.

 

Solid post mate. 100% agree.

 

Wilder always drew well at the Barclays Centre
He used AJ's name to build some relevance

America hadn't had a mainstream boxing star in the Hzw division in years so that's not a Wilder issue (although he has many issues)

Americans in general will not pay to see an Eastern European so somebody is banking on the Wilder support

 

This is my kind of thread. Fight the challengers or lose the belts!

Canelo was a catastrophe, too. The way he handled benavidez was shameful. We don't need that in a sport where the athletes compete once or maybe twice a year!

And legacy is kind of a **** argument when everyone knows and will see that wilder is shot. How much did old larry holmes add to tyson's legacy?

 

It is prize fighting and of course I'd like to see the best fight the best as a Boxing fan

 

If you look up headlines from 2020-2024 Tyson Fury changed his mind on this topic an ungodly amount of times. "I'm Retiring, I'm not retiring, I'll never fight this guy if you paid me a trillion dollars, I'm open to fighting him for the right price, I tried to make the fight and they are avoiding me".

Fury did not have a consistant position about what he wanted to do. With Usyk you could discern a more clear and consistant agenda and plan from his words. He wants to check off the Wilder, Parker and Ruiz boxes and is going to let Kabayel and Wardley get promoted to full champion.

What Usyk is doing wouldn't be so terrible if the division was in a different spot. Fury is the one who started this way back in 2015 with the break and then when he finally came back fighting Seferi and Schwarz. But the division has been stuck in traffic for 10 years and Usyks made plain his intent to make it 12. Hes really screwing over a few dozen talented HWs. Look at the HW rankings its all 30-35 year olds being aged out. Kabayel won his regional title in 2016. Kabayel is an interim world champion whose about to get promoted. Kabayels the lucky one. All the other HWs in line are getting totally ****ed.

 

Fans are to blame for this. If the fans pay good money for real, meaningfully fights, then the thought of fighting Wilder would never come into Usyk's mind. I know if a Usyk/Wilder fight is penned, I am watching it. In other words, we get what we pay for.

 

You are one of the best posters on here, and I don't mean to be dismissive, but I say in a friendly way that you are wasting a lot of time, effort, thought and words on a very simple issue.

His next mando was to be the winner of Parker-Wardley. He dropped a belt because he liked the Wilder fight better. He just cleared the IBF, the WBC is not enforcing since they were not next in line, and who the hell knows or cares about the WBA, which is a pseudo-organization at this point.

That's it. He dropped a belt to do this. I hope he fights Kabayel next. I hope he circles back to Wardley. Hell, I hope he works Parker in there. But it is what it is.

That's it. The long and short of it.

Now, in your morality, you are not wrong. These guys do deserve their shots. On the other hand, there is one world, and there should be one world champion, one #1 contender, and a fighter should not be burdened with constantly fighting unifications, re-unifications, mandatories, interums and contractual rematches that they had to sign. Usyk wants Wilder on his record, and probably feels he owes him a shot because he said as much back when Fury wouldn't fight him, and Wilder took that seriously. You are right that Kabayel deserves a shot, but it is also true that Usyk deserves a chance to build his reign into what he wants it to be.

But now I have wasted a lot of time, effort, thought and words!

 

Usyk doesn't owe Wilder anything

And its odd he would want Wilder but not Wilder's conquerors Zhang and Parker. Explain the logic

 

Coz wilder was one of the top dogs, Parker and Zhang have never been top
Dog