Why the Ortiz win means nothing for Wilders resumee

A good, perfectly picked opponent.

Slow feet, bad gas tank, aged -- will slow down with each passing round. Most importantly, stays on the outside where Wilder can work.

 

I feel sorry for the Cuban senior citizen. He is at least 5 years older than his official age, has a heart condition and probably been on PEDS during most of his pro career.

What team Wilder did to this poor grandpa is a real shame.

Not only did they not let the old man take his meds, not only did Wilder hit him, hurt him and dropped him with numerous illegal punches but on top of that when grandpa was slapping Wilder around the ring and was about to KO him, they gave BumSquad extra time to recover. What a sham!

 

“Luis Ortiz was 80 years old when they fought!!”

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All fans do that. I say if Wilder and Ortiz were old, so was Wlad when he fought Fury. Funny, Wilder and Wlad fought similar to eachother. Both looked a bit lost and could not pull the trigger. It can be argued that their opponents had something to do with that, but haters won't admit that.

 

So true as i've stated the same in past years as he is the boogeyman of nothing but all flap.

Oh & what's with this always about Bryant Jennings being this & Bryant Jennings being that !? F***** Sad

 

Parker schooled Wilder over 12 rounds, whereas Ortiz got knocked out twice by Wilder. That's performing well relative to comparable opponents to you? Or how about Ruiz, where Parker won by decision as opposed to Ortiz getting floored 3 times before losing.

 

And? People picked Khan and Bute to win big fights too but it never happened. Ortiz was a decent fighter - that is all.

 

Stop using drugs

 

It makes perfect sense. Who shouldn't it? No one considered Povetkin much before he fought and lost to Wlad. It was only afterwards that he went on that killer KO streak and got most of his best and most impressive wins. Before that he was going the distance with Nicolai Firtha and having four round 'dark exhibitions' with Bruce Seldon. You think if that guy retired after Wlad anyone would give him the time of day? Or consider him one of Wlad's best opponents?

So Ortiz losing to Wilder certainly shouldn't have been the nail in his coffin if he was actually any good. But he wasn't, so Wilder's win aged poorly. Get it now?

Alright why did Ortiz continue to fight the worst opponents he could find? Past a certain point all the "everyone is ducking meeee!" stuff gets old and you realize that in fact the real truth is they don't have the ambition or humility to make the right fights happen for them. It's all risk reward at the end of the day. No one is so scary or badass that no one wants to fight them for any amount of money ever. Certainly not Luis Ortiz. He didn't get the big fights because he didn't work hard enough to pursue them or when they came his way he got cold feet and ducked out citing low balling. By all means bring up as many past threads to argue otherwise, but his resume speaks for itself. He was an unambitious bum beater who didn't have the courage to think he stood a chance against the very best, which is why he took the Wilder fight over the Joshua one.

Big deal. It was eight years ago.

How can you equal failing to foul another fighter a lack of heart? What sort of stupidity is that? By that thinking there are more grounds for questioning Ortiz's heart for failing to protest the blatant favoritism Wilder got in the first fight that might have cost him a win by TKO. So it's in fact Ortiz that has a massive lack of heart, and a lack of courage (which is actually proven as he ducked Joshua when offered the chance, Povetkin didn't). So yes, we can definitely question his stones if those are the rules you're working by.

OK that's their two best wins (in your opinion). Now give me their ten best wins. We'll see how favorably Ortiz holds up then.

 

Ortiz despite the stats test not being obvious, he was genuinely a very good fighter, who IMO was very unlucky to not have some bigger names on his record.

 

"No one considered Povetkin much before he fought and lost to Wlad."

Wlad-Povetkin was one of Wlad's biggest fights. He was considered one of Wlad's best contenders and Wlad thought the same, hence 12 rounds of Greco-Roman.

"if he was actually any good"

If Ortiz wasn't any good then Povetkin would have fought him rather than Manny Charr, Wach, Takam etc.

"Alright why did Ortiz continue to fight the worst opponents he could find?"

He was very dangerous and didn't bring much money, risk-reward. Jennings was close to even odds and had gone the distance with Wlad in a 9-3 loss, Ortiz outboxed and stopped him in 7. Who was going to want to fight him after that?

He fought Wilder x2 and Ruiz from 38-43 officially, as a B-side and 7/2 underdog or thereabouts in all of those fights.

Ruiz destroyed Joshua but didn't want to fight 43+ 2 KO defeats Ortiz and wanted Spong on a Triller card instead. As if he'd have fought Ortiz for little money and no title 5-8 years prior. Same for everyone else.

Ortiz was top 5 ranked when Wilder beat him and was a ranked fighter for years after, with all "independent bodies". He was a fixture of the rankings for 8-9 years.

"How can you equal failing to foul another fighter a lack of heart?"

Because Povetkin submitted to Wlad's molestation, round after round. He showed a lack of heart and had avoided Wlad twice previously to fight guys like Firtha. Ortiz by contrast fought the champ who'd already KO'd him instead of Joshua on several weeks notice.

"Now give me their ten best wins."

Povetkin had a much deeper collection of mediocrities on his record because he and his team offered more reward for the risk. Guys like Takam and Chagaev (two of Povetkin's best wins, in tough fights) wouldn't even fight Ortiz because they knew they'd get dominated. But neither Povetkin or Ortiz accomplished that much as pros in the grand scheme: both failed as 2x title challengers, both had fairly pedestrian top wins, both were ranked contenders for many years. It would have been good to see them fight but Povetkin's team didn't allow it to happen.