Why the reluctance to make a Superheavyweight Division?

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  1. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It has always seemed strange that a few pounds of difference are considered crucial in the lower weight divisions but irrelevant once the 200 pound threshold is reached. Then everyone is just a HW regardless of weight differences. In contrast the Olympics does recognize a significant difference by having a super HW category which starts I believe at 220 pounds. Why the reluctance on the Pro boxing side to institute that division?
     
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  2. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Where does it stop though, eventually there will be calls for a super-super heavyweight division as folk just keep getting bigger
     
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  3. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Good point. Where exactly do you set the upper limit. This HW Miller, who the announcer described as weighing 300 pounds just pummeled another HW Washington, who weighs approx. 50 pounds less him into calling it quits. It was like an adult beating up a child. Similar to having a 150 pound fighter take on a 200 pound fighter.

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  4. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    There aren't enough superheavyweights to make their own weight class comparable in depth to the other weight classes. Most weight classes are about a thousand fighters deep. Out of the 1250 heavyweights in the division, there are maybe 50 super heavyweights. A lot of these guys are separated by thousands of miles and can't be expected to travel in their first couple fights building a name for themselves. It's just not practical.
     
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  5. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because the Heavy weight division is the most famous and money bringing division. They would/could ruin it by adding the "super". Better adjusting the cruiser and light heavy weights.
     
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  6. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    All of the best Heavyweights in history other than Lennox Lewis and the Klitschko's for example, were actually Cruiserweight. That's why it was so exciting. Foreman was one of the very biggest out there and he in his best days could've boiled down to modern Cruiser, no problem.

    Gerald Washington is actually a huge guy, a genuine Super Heavyweight. I was saying Jarrell Miller should lose 20lbs at least as it would work best for him. I feel like with boxing, there's a law of diminishing returns based on size. After you reach a certain size, there are trade offs that actually have a net result in diminishing your ability as a fighter.

    Human beings just are not built to be a prim and proper 300lber, the way this particular sport works.
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    They could change the CW limit.

    Boxing is already on it's a$$ with 17 divisions and 4 main org's.

    The last thing we need is another division with 6/7 belts up for grabs.

    Just out of interest, how many world class SHW's are there?
     
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  8. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I wouldn't pick 300 lbs Miller over 225 lbs Povetkin or 220 lbs Wilder.
     
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  9. The Ripper

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  10. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    Well you are a thinking human. Respect to that!

    The brainwashed idol worshippers will not agree with you however.

    But this idea is nothing new in boxing history. Once in a time other thinking peoples also got the very same idea.

    Because once in a time Heavyweight started at just 175 pounds...

    The one and Only HEAVYWEIGHT division!!
     
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  11. Limerickbox

    Limerickbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Super heavyweight in the amateurs is simply heavyweight in the pros.

    Everyone over 201 lbs in the amateurs is a "super heavyweight"
     
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  12. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Today's heavyweight division IS the superheavyweight division. The Cruiser cutoff may be 200, but It's very rare for anyone to campaign at HW full time weighing less than 215.

    Cruiserweight might as well be renamed "Heavyweight Classic".
     
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  13. PrinceNaseemHamed

    PrinceNaseemHamed Walk Like A Champion Full Member

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    If there was a super heavyweight division all you'd see are 300ib+ fat guys plodding at each other for 12 rounds. There's enough of that in the normal Heavyweight division
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No way could a 6ft 3" fighter get down to cruiser!
     
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  15. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Usyk, Cunningham and many other cruisers in the world are 6ft 3
     
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